<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://community.element14.com/cfs-file/__key/system/syndication/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Experimenting with Op Amps: Open-Loop DC Gain (Again!)</title><link>/members-area/b/blog/posts/experimenting-with-op-amps-open-loop-dc-gain-again</link><description>Another attempt at measuring the open-loop dc gain of an op amp, this time using the &amp;#39;false summing-junction&amp;#39; method. The idea for this one came from a TI document comparing different approaches to testing op amps[1].
Before doing it for real, with a</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 12</generator><item><title>RE: Experimenting with Op Amps: Open-Loop DC Gain (Again!)</title><link>https://community.element14.com/members-area/b/blog/posts/experimenting-with-op-amps-open-loop-dc-gain-again</link><pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2022 22:08:24 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">93d5dcb4-84c2-446f-b2cb-99731719e767:b7bde35f-ee56-4fb3-87b9-1159169a576e</guid><dc:creator>jc2048</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><description>&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;ve found a 741 (a recent one, not one that&amp;#39;s 40 years old), so I thought I&amp;#39;d have a go at measuring it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Like the OP27, the gain moves with temperature whilst it is heating up. Again, like the OP27, the gain started high &lt;br /&gt;and declined. This isn&amp;#39;t very scientific, but the gains I measured from start were 77,596 (97.8dB), 74,257 (97.4dB), &lt;br /&gt;and 73,736 (97dB). That&amp;#39;s with an interval of several minutes between each reading. As you can see, the gain value &lt;br /&gt;isn&amp;#39;t all that spectacular for an op amp. It&amp;#39;s higher than the datasheet minimum (only 50k), but less than the typical &lt;br /&gt;figure, so I haven&amp;#39;t got a particularly good specimen here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The respective offset values were 961uV, 957uV, and 955uV (close to the typical value of 1mV). The offset didn&amp;#39;t &lt;br /&gt;change as much as I thought it might, but it does move as the device self-heats.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The main thing to take away from this is that, although op amps are wonderful with lots of feedback wrapped around &lt;br /&gt;them, standalone as dc amplifiers they&amp;#39;re much less good.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.element14.com/aggbug?PostID=23303&amp;AppID=75&amp;AppType=Weblog&amp;ContentType=0" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Experimenting with Op Amps: Open-Loop DC Gain (Again!)</title><link>https://community.element14.com/members-area/b/blog/posts/experimenting-with-op-amps-open-loop-dc-gain-again</link><pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:30:43 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">93d5dcb4-84c2-446f-b2cb-99731719e767:b7bde35f-ee56-4fb3-87b9-1159169a576e</guid><dc:creator>DAB</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><description>&lt;p&gt;Very interesting experiment.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.element14.com/aggbug?PostID=23303&amp;AppID=75&amp;AppType=Weblog&amp;ContentType=0" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>