<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://community.element14.com/cfs-file/__key/system/syndication/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Reverse Engineering a GFI Plug</title><link>/members-area/personalblogs/b/john-wiltrout-s-blog/posts/reverse-engineering-a-gfi-plug</link><description>While getting dinner tables ready today for the coming Christmas Dinner the boss (Millie) asked me to get some wrinkles out of a plastic table cloth. After retrieving my shop hair dryer I began to heat the plastic cloth to remove the wrinkles. After </description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 12</generator><item><title>RE: Reverse Engineering a GFI Plug</title><link>https://community.element14.com/members-area/personalblogs/b/john-wiltrout-s-blog/posts/reverse-engineering-a-gfi-plug</link><pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2017 17:10:19 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">93d5dcb4-84c2-446f-b2cb-99731719e767:52631fd1-cad8-467f-a581-f2b2066471ce</guid><dc:creator>three-phase</dc:creator><slash:comments>1</slash:comments><description>&lt;p&gt;Good write up John.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;For those wanting more information on these types of devices, Beama produce a good guideline, all be it biased towards the UK market and BS7671.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://www.beama.org.uk/asset/7EE14AAB-81DB-4870-A9ACFBC5C58A94A2" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" target="_blank"&gt;Beama - The RCD Handbook&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Nema produce a similar booklet for the North American market;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="https://www.nema.org/Products/Documents/NEMA-GFCI-2012-Field-Representative-Presentation.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" target="_blank"&gt;Nema - GFCI Booklet&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The 30mA setting for RCDs was based around work by Gottfried Biegelmeier in the 1950s that showed 95% of the population could withstand up to a 40mA shock under dry conditions. His work was then developed into IEC60479 that is utilised for protection against touch and step potentials in HV substations along with IEEE 80 Standard. I believe however, that the North American market go down to 6mA on their GFIs.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;They are not the most reliable of devices. Fixed RCDs are recommended to be tested every 3 months using the built in test button. RCD plugs are recommended to be tested every time they are used.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ramp testing and timing of the devices is carried out during condition assessments of installations. Recommended frequency for domestic market is 10 years, industrial and commercial 3 to 5 years and special locations 6 monthly to yearly. Specific devices for RCD testing are available such as this &lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://uk.farnell.com/megger/rcddt320-en-bs/tester-rcd/dp/7543905" target="_blank"&gt;Megger device.&lt;/a&gt; More often now a days they form part of a &lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="http://www.megger.com/eu/products/ProductDetails.php?ID=1566&amp;amp;Description=" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" target="_blank"&gt;multi function tester&lt;/a&gt; that is utilised to test all aspects of an electrical installation as pointed to by &lt;span&gt;[mention:b0bc65b9ecdc4307bd967592f00e340a:e9ed411860ed4f2ba0265705b8793d05]&lt;/span&gt; in his review of the &lt;a class="jive-link-roadTestReview" href="https://www.element14.com/community/roadTestReviews/2540/l/megger-insulation-tester-review"&gt;Megger Insulation Tester.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Kind regards&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.element14.com/aggbug?PostID=4015&amp;AppID=315&amp;AppType=Weblog&amp;ContentType=0" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Reverse Engineering a GFI Plug</title><link>https://community.element14.com/members-area/personalblogs/b/john-wiltrout-s-blog/posts/reverse-engineering-a-gfi-plug</link><pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2017 18:40:40 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">93d5dcb4-84c2-446f-b2cb-99731719e767:52631fd1-cad8-467f-a581-f2b2066471ce</guid><dc:creator>ntewinkel</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; Unfortunately the way this GFI failed would not have protected the user in the case of a real emergency.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This reminds me of how, in engineering, we aim for &amp;quot;how does it work&amp;quot; and often forget to ask the most important question of all: &amp;quot;How does it fail?&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.element14.com/aggbug?PostID=4015&amp;AppID=315&amp;AppType=Weblog&amp;ContentType=0" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Reverse Engineering a GFI Plug</title><link>https://community.element14.com/members-area/personalblogs/b/john-wiltrout-s-blog/posts/reverse-engineering-a-gfi-plug</link><pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2017 18:13:01 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">93d5dcb4-84c2-446f-b2cb-99731719e767:52631fd1-cad8-467f-a581-f2b2066471ce</guid><dc:creator>DAB</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><description>&lt;p&gt;Great way to seize victory from the jaws of failure.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I never gave the GFI much thought, but your excellent description of the circuit made sense to me.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The circuit is very simple, but as you found out, not very robust under component failure conditions.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Great job.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;DAB&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.element14.com/aggbug?PostID=4015&amp;AppID=315&amp;AppType=Weblog&amp;ContentType=0" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Reverse Engineering a GFI Plug</title><link>https://community.element14.com/members-area/personalblogs/b/john-wiltrout-s-blog/posts/reverse-engineering-a-gfi-plug</link><pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2017 17:09:31 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">93d5dcb4-84c2-446f-b2cb-99731719e767:52631fd1-cad8-467f-a581-f2b2066471ce</guid><dc:creator>genebren</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><description>&lt;p&gt;Good testing of a product that should not have failed.&amp;nbsp; I never press the trip/test buttons, but now I will have to re-examine that behavior.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.element14.com/aggbug?PostID=4015&amp;AppID=315&amp;AppType=Weblog&amp;ContentType=0" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Reverse Engineering a GFI Plug</title><link>https://community.element14.com/members-area/personalblogs/b/john-wiltrout-s-blog/posts/reverse-engineering-a-gfi-plug</link><pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2017 11:35:57 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">93d5dcb4-84c2-446f-b2cb-99731719e767:52631fd1-cad8-467f-a581-f2b2066471ce</guid><dc:creator>shabaz</dc:creator><slash:comments>2</slash:comments><description>&lt;p&gt;Hi John,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This is very interesting - glad that all is well and you were around to unplug and examine the item. I too have RCDs for some devices, and so after seeing your analysis and reverse engineering, and &lt;span&gt;[mention:a5312e9762dd4699ba5d3876da34ffe5:e9ed411860ed4f2ba0265705b8793d05]&lt;/span&gt; comment, it is now clear that one should be prepared for that condition when the test button is pressed. Ordinarily I would not have given it a seconds thought, I&amp;#39;m pretty sure the user instructions do not advise in such detail.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I tried to examine the plug-in RCDs here briefly just now - they have security screws so I didn&amp;#39;t open them (I don&amp;#39;t have a spare one).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.element14.com/aggbug?PostID=4015&amp;AppID=315&amp;AppType=Weblog&amp;ContentType=0" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Reverse Engineering a GFI Plug</title><link>https://community.element14.com/members-area/personalblogs/b/john-wiltrout-s-blog/posts/reverse-engineering-a-gfi-plug</link><pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2017 09:51:17 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">93d5dcb4-84c2-446f-b2cb-99731719e767:52631fd1-cad8-467f-a581-f2b2066471ce</guid><dc:creator>michaelkellett</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><description>&lt;p&gt;My guess is that the solenoid coil is only rated for a very short operation, during which it should pull the switch and remove power from itself. If the switch jams not only do you run the risk of electrocution but have the fun of being set on fire as well.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There are two lessons here,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;1) test these things often&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;2) be ready for issues when you test&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;ll have a look around and see if I have any I can pull apart to see if they are similar.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;BTW, in the UK we call them ELCBs (Earth Leakage Circuit Breaker) or RCDs (Residual Current Device).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Happy Christmas&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;MK&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.element14.com/aggbug?PostID=4015&amp;AppID=315&amp;AppType=Weblog&amp;ContentType=0" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>