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This is a gravedigging post of gizmo2

Anygo1998 — Mon, 04 Dec 2023 13:22:21 GMT

不知道gizmo2的BIOS有没有其他功能，比如设置默认内存大小的功能，我的板子开机后，可用内存只有750M左右，我怀疑核心显卡占用了200M以上的内存作为显存。另外，我在安装 archliux 时遇到问题，总是遇到挂载 uuid *date 问题

RE: This is a gravedigging post of gizmo2

Anygo1998 — Tue, 05 Dec 2023 11:42:17 GMT

Oh! It's so surprised that I can get reply of this old boards, thank you.

RE: This is a gravedigging post of gizmo2

cstanton — Mon, 04 Dec 2023 16:20:25 GMT

[quote userid="494905" url="~/products/devtools/single-board-computers/gizmo2/f/forum/54073/this-is-a-gravedigging-post-of-gizmo2"]I don't know if the BIOS of gizmo2 has other functions, such as the function of setting the default memory size, after my board is turned on, the available memory is only about 750M, and I suspect that the core graphics card occupies more than 200M memory as video memory. Also, I'm having problems installing archliux, always having issues mounting uuid *date[/quote]

You should be able to access the BIOS which may allow you to change the graphics RAM allocation, but also I recall it's possible to compile your own BIOS for the Gizmo 2.

I believe it comes with seabios but I've seen comments about coreboot / timesys too. I'm not aware of many people actually doing this, but after a cursory search on google it appears that people have.

RE: Can Gizmo 2 use GX-420CA and 2GB chips w/o issues?

monkeyman_stones — Fri, 16 Aug 2019 22:00:43 GMT

As she was the topic of discussion it was not necessary to repeat her name: "lucie tozer - So it sounds as if the 30V, 4A breaker at the front (the yellow thing standing just behind the power input)..." If you disagree with the standard English language use then you will need to find the DNA (Deoxyribonucleic acid) of a large number of authors who followed the same use I had. William Shakespeare deserves punishment by your statement...

Is it your statement that I should treat it as a boat (a hole in the water into which you throw money) rather than ask those who are said to be in the know? Buy devices I may never have another use for which I also cannot return because they were used once soldered to the board... This sounds foolish considering there may very well be other SMD components in addition to the breaker which would also need to be replaced that others may know about and could inform me of.

While a board using not so old components (DDR3 is still used in many devices, gigabit ethernet, USB 3.0, Pcie 3.0) and many which will be for many decades more such as the power control items clearly under discussion (capacitors, diodes, inductors, resistors, IC's, etc) the device is far from dismissable. If you like Raspberry Pi then chances are high you still own your Pi 1 as most owners do.

If you wish to dismiss it then you are of course free to do so, but clearly you haven't fully as you took the time to read my post, analyze it to look for things to attack, then post a response doing so. You may not need to worry too much as with age comes the knowledge that polite, calm, polite responses produce the best results near always.

Yes, I still use my multiple Gizmo 2's (primarily the unit in my car with 5 cameras by USB 3.0 which write to the very large SSD needed for that volume of data) and will continue to. They are incredibly useful for many, many projects. My multiple 3D printers are connected to a second unit which I can control from anywhere in my home remotely (the cameras connected to it allowed me to see blue flickers followed by red flames as I entered the room with my fire extinguisher in hand to put out the fire the brand new Ender 5 which came with a Landy rather than the Mean Well power supply the Amazon listing company had claimed it came with). So incredibly useful, having potentially saved the life of a physically handicapped man (airway problems called Severe Tracheobronchomalacia) by allow him to be alerted of a coming fire.

RE: Can Gizmo 2 use GX-420CA and 2GB chips w/o issues?

shabaz — Fri, 16 Aug 2019 18:06:54 GMT

Hi David,

Firstly, her has a name, it's polite to use it. Secondly, is it possible that no-one has an answer? You're asking about circuit breaker sizing? This is something you could investigate for yourself - although if you have not needed to know this for a year, what's the point... Try one, if it trips, try a larger one. It's not rocket science.

Finally, the lack of answers is likely because very few people have any interest in the product you're discussing. It's an obsolete, ancient product. Time to move on.. others have.

RE: Can Gizmo 2 use GX-420CA and 2GB chips w/o issues?

monkeyman_stones — Fri, 16 Aug 2019 17:59:01 GMT

Not far from a year since my last question to her about this, but no response from her. Is there a special code I have to add to my response to have her possibly respond?

RE: Can Gizmo 2 use GX-420CA and 2GB chips w/o issues?

asciilifeform — Fri, 22 Feb 2019 18:26:54 GMT

Perhaps this is "too little, too late", but: several years ago, I reverse-engineered the SmartProbe and published some documentation.

RE: Can Gizmo 2 use GX-420CA and 2GB chips w/o issues?

monkeyman_stones — Sat, 29 Sep 2018 22:02:47 GMT

lucie tozer - So it sounds as if the 30V, 4A breaker at the front (the yellow thing standing just behind the power input) would have to be changed for something with a higher Ampere trip point. The problem is calculating that volume from the minuscule records Gizmosphere made available. I would think that 30V (good luck finding a reasonably priced 30V breaker... Would have to go 32V) 6A could work for the AMD GX-420CA (25W / 1.2V = 20.83... Amperes). But because I also have a 1TB Samsung 960 Pro mSATA SSD and used the PCIe (High Speed) plug for a mPCIe 2.0 port, a Display Port (1.1) and an additional SATA port I think 6A would be too low. I don't want to take a chance of witnessing the horrible blue smoke, so I really have to be exact about this. Any suggestions for breaker Ampere size for the trip point?).

It sounds from your post as though there are additional breakers on the board specifically for the CPU... Is that so? I don't see as much.

Can the Gizmo 2 Explorer Board be used in place of Arduino Uno?

monkeyman_stones — Mon, 08 Jan 2018 16:27:56 GMT

I recently purchased an XYZPrinting da Vinci 2.0 Duo 3D printer and had to replace the cartridges multiple times already at an unreasonable price ($78) for what is only 300G of filament (versus $15 for Inland PLA & ABS 1KG rolls from Micro Center).

I have discovered multiple pages for the resetting of the cartridges and the use of aftermarket filament by way of an Arduino Uno R3. But I own 2 Gizmo 2's with Explorer Boards and it seems likely that they can be used in place of an Arduino Uno. But I have no idea how...

Does anyone know how to use the Gizmo 2 and Explorer Board in place of an Arduino Uno R3 for resetting XYZ Printing cartridges?

Thanks for the help,

David

RE: Can the Gizmo 2 Explorer Board be used in place of Arduino Uno?

shabaz — Mon, 08 Jan 2018 16:50:38 GMT

The chances of finding someone not only with a 'XYZ Printer', but someone who resets the cartridges with a (approx) $150 'Gizmo 2' board and a Gizmo Explorer card, instead of a $20 Arduino Uno are surely quite slim. So I doubt you'll find that.

Having said that, the Arduino Uno is a (fairly basic) microcontroller, and the Gizmo2 works fast enough that it could likely be used for the task, but it would involve translating the code to run on X86 and your desired OS (e.g. Linux). That's a porting exercise, and it will involve finding out how to control I/O with Gizmo2, and inserting that code into the Arduino code and re-compiling for X86. It is non-trivial if you've not done this before - and harder still if the Arduino code uses things like timers and interrupt functions, because these do not translate into code on (say) Linux in the same way, so you'd also need to understand the Arduino code intent as you're porting it.

So, in summary, I'm (fairly) sure it is possible, but to do it will need a porting exercise because I doubt anyone else has done it.

RE: how to make a bios.rom for gizmo 2

naugreem — Thu, 14 Sep 2017 11:27:45 GMT

Hello, Jianbin Wu!

You may extract video BIOS from original firmware.

Instructions: https://www.coreboot.org/VGA_support

how to make a bios.rom for gizmo 2

edwardalick — Tue, 04 Jul 2017 02:33:29 GMT

I get a board of Gizmo 2 form element. I want to build a bios.rom for booting. But I failed many times.[View:/resized-image/__size/16x16/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/109/contentimage_5F00_4027.png:16:16]

my method is that：

1 I get the source code of coreboot

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2 under the "coreboot",make menuconfig->mainborad->gizmosphere,gizmo 2

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3 Deivces->Graphics initialization (Run VGA Option ROMs)

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4 payload->Add a payload (SeaBIOS) ,SeaBIOS version (1.10.2)

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5 make

I get the "coreboot.rom",and I dowmload it to the Gizmo 2,the Monitor is no picture,I don't know the bios is start-up or not?

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What is the pin size of holes in Explorer Board?

monkeyman_stones — Thu, 10 Aug 2017 17:45:01 GMT

I own 2 GizmoSphere Gizmo2 Explorer Boards, but I have never been able to use them as I've never found pins which fit into the holes. In addition all of the pdf's about the Explorer Board, Gizmo2 and Gizmo 1 do not state what the size is. I've tried for 3 years to put my Gizmo 2 and Explorer Boards to use but have never been able to due to the lack of information about the pin size required.

What is the pin size for the holes of the GizmoSphere Gizmo Explorer Board?

Thank you for your help,

David

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RE: What is the pin size of holes in Explorer Board?

shabaz — Mon, 14 Aug 2017 23:50:37 GMT

Do you have a photo, or a web link or product code for the pins that you have tried?

I suspect you're talking about a completely different use-case or scenario than I'm referring to, but without this information I'm struggling to guess what it could be.

RE: What is the pin size of holes in Explorer Board?

monkeyman_stones — Mon, 14 Aug 2017 20:48:16 GMT

My experience was that a pin any smaller than a tight fit tilts sideways and touches the pins of other plugged in devices around it. It risks shocking and/or shorting out the board and potentially the Gizmo2 (I discovered this with the Explorer Board not plugged in and testing for contact between pins with my Fluke 88VA multimeter). You could plug anything you wanted into it but with the major risk of causing arcing and destroying the Gizmo Explorer Board and/or Gizmo2.

You could cut the pins to prevent accidental contact, but then you can only pray that there is enough of those pins remaining to properly plug into anything else.

RE: What is the pin size of holes in Explorer Board?

shabaz — Mon, 14 Aug 2017 19:04:30 GMT

Hi David,

If you're referring to the large grid of holes then it usually doesn't matter what precise size the hole diameter for the grid of holes is, virtually any through-hole part (which typically have wires of diameter 0.6mm or so) should fit. The pins are spaced 0.1 inch apart, which again is usual.

I have a board here and I just tried a typical SIL pin header into it, and it is a loose fit, so most through-hole components will fit (those that typically go into perfboard or stripboard).

RE: Can Gizmo 2 use GX-420CA and 2GB chips w/o issues?

monkeyman_stones — Mon, 14 Aug 2017 18:41:07 GMT

Jiabin,

I have found no place from which to download the Sage software. The former owner of Sage responded to me once on Facebook, but never responded to my 2nd message asking him where to find his software. I even offered to pay him for a copy of his software for the Sage SmartProbe but he never responded nor wrote anything else from his account. I even created a Craigslist post asking for anyone with a Sage SmartProbe and software to update the BIOS of my Gizmo2, but no one replied. In addition I posted an ad all over UMass Amherst, Amherst College, Hampshire College, Mount Holyoke College, Smith College, Springfield College and Our Lady of the Elms College, but no one replied. I even left voicemails on the lines for all of those college's computer science professors, but received 0 replies.

It seems impossible to do not because of the work of changing the RAM chips and processor (a cakewalk as it only requires a heat gun and a self lit microscopic camera to check the pins on 3 corners to ensure the replacement chips/processors are properly positioned before putting the heat gun to them again after pressing them down with a very small metal clamp so that they cannot move out of proper alignment upon heating them to melt the solder), but because there is no way to get the software for the Sage SmartProbe or find and pay anyone with them to do the work.

To change the processor you only have to remove the self resetting yellow circuit breaker behind the power plug and place a higher amperage one (as easy as easy can be).

It can all easily be done but the software required to enable the required BIOS updates after the work cannot be aquired. Do not buy the Gizmo 1 with the Sage SmartProbe from Semiconductor Superstore to do the work because they don't have the required software either (and as a result it does not come with the required software to use it). I purchased the Gizmo 1 kit from Semiconductor Superstore and the software wasn't in the box even though the page from which I bought it and the item's included documentation both claimed it did. They sent me a second full unit after I called to tell them that the "included" software promised was not provided, but their 2nd unit also did not have the software. They looked into it and stated that all of the CD's and USB drives which had the software were gone. I returned both units (even though I received 2 for the price of 1) and was refunded.

RE: What is the pin size of holes in Explorer Board?

monkeyman_stones — Mon, 14 Aug 2017 17:57:00 GMT

Does no one know? I would think that someone has built a project with the GizmoSphere Gizmo 1 or 2 Explorer Board and therefore knows what the pin size is...

RE: how to make a bios.rom for gizmo 2

edwardalick — Mon, 10 Jul 2017 03:26:02 GMT

I detected that the led of SDcard is on. But the hdmi monitor is off. Maybe I lack the “Video BIOS” which enable display. I can‘t find it because the sage is down. and I also can't debug the board of gizmo 2

RE: Can Gizmo 2 use GX-420CA and 2GB chips w/o issues?

edwardalick — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 08:14:37 GMT

Hello David,

I got the board of gizmo 2 last month. I am sad that the sage Electronic Engineering have closed and the sage_bsp or sage_edk cannot be downloaded. David , how do you debug your bios of gizmo 2 now?Do you find the software?

RE: how to make a bios.rom for gizmo 2

edwardalick — Tue, 04 Jul 2017 05:25:19 GMT

somebody can reply me ?

RE: Can Gizmo 2 use GX-420CA and 2GB chips w/o issues?

Former Member — Wed, 31 May 2017 17:23:55 GMT

From what I understood when looking deeply into this was that the gizmo's processor has a ram controller capable of handling 8GB of ram, although at the time of launch the only reference to ram capacity by Gizmosphere was the possibility of upgrading it to 2GB explained as entirely possible in their documentation just not recommended as the process to replace the BGA packages is no simple feat.

The AMD processor family has many pin compatible interchangeable devices, the one featured on the Gizmo2 is one of the lower cost options in the range so I suspect that was the primary reason for choosing that particular processor but another device from that family should work too.

Power issues are probably going to arise, the ratings you see for the processor are in watts, if we assume that the processors are operating at 1.2V (for simplicity) we can get the following data on the required amps for each processor.

AMD GX-210HA ----- 9W / 1.2V = 7.5A

AMD GX-420CA ----- 25W / 1.2V = 20.8A

the power supply that comes with the gizmo puts out 12V at 2A thats only 24W in itself so you can see just by this that the power supply couldnt support that new package. If the power supply was converted to 1.2V using the onboard regulators, even with 100% efficiency it would be supplying 1.2V at 20A which falls just short of what you would need to run that processor alone, not taking into account of anything else on the board.

Maybe you could use a bigger power source but you really would have to get more data on the power regulation devices that are on the board, you might end up overheating and frying them.

hope this was of some use

edit----------------------------------

Hopefully to clear up some of the other things. The company Gizmosphere and the Gizmo SBC were formed and created as part of a community project of hobbyists, presumably they formed a temporary company in order to sell their product and have either moved on or never made enough sales to make it a worthwhile business.

I would imagine that once the community of hobbyists had designed the Gizmo's, the company itself was formed purely by marketing and sales people. Electronics hobbyists probably arent looking to work in sales and marketing and the products probably never made enough money to employ those hobbyists as full time engineers. In this case the most probable outcome is that they split the profits between them and moved on to other projects.

Also some links:

This one I believe supports the idea of interchangeability of the processors/ram as its the same board used for all design options http://www.seco.com/prods/eu/sbc-992-pitx.html

This one is a .pdf of a tiny desktop computer using the GX420-CA and shows off its maximum potential in its features http://h20195.www2.hp.com/v2/GetDocument.aspx?docname=c04312126&doctype=quickspecs&doclang=EN_US&searchquery=&cc=ca&lc=en notice how the 420-CA can support up to 16GB, presumably it has 2 ram controller rather than 1 (its probably internally arranged as 2 dual core processors to form the quad core device and each dual core has its own ram controller supporting 8GB each)

RE: Can Gizmo 2 use GX-420CA and 2GB chips w/o issues?

balearicdynamics — Mon, 29 May 2017 06:31:17 GMT

Hello David,

in this case I can't help you. Just a question, the guys of GizmoSphere no longer exists too? Maybe the worth to contact them.

Maybe that e14megan can help you with some contact as Element14 was (is) distributor of Gizmo2 boards.

Enrico

RE: Can Gizmo 2 use GX-420CA and 2GB chips w/o issues?

monkeyman_stones — Sun, 28 May 2017 22:47:19 GMT

The biggest problem with having to upgrade/update the BIOS is that the Gizmo 1 and 2 require the use of the Sage SmartProbe which means you have to have the software for it's use. It's available here in a Gizmo 1 kit: Gizmo Explorer Kit - Gizmo 1 Explorer Kit

But the problem is (having purchased 2 of them there) that the USB drive including that software is NOT provided. So you end up with a device which you absolutely must have, but absolutely cannot use because semiconductor superstore lost all of the DVD's (which the software originally came) and USB Flash drives. So buying it serves no purpose. Here's what was provided in the first one I bought: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oKd2MQ9wpa9auuvi3xaWMLQEb7AWwmpFaQ/view?usp=drivesdk

As you can see, no DVD and no USB Flash drive. They require you download it from http://marketing.se-eng.com/ which is (was) the SAGE website which had closed down completely a number of months before I bought the Gizmo 1 kit. GizmoSphere also directs you to download a trial version of it, but their link is also dead (because SAGE killed all of their company when they closed, including all software, so even if you got ahold of the GizmoSphere Trial version you could never pay for nor buy the full version: http://www.gizmosphere.org/blog/sagebios-bsp-turns-gizmo-into-most-open-source-x86-diy-board-available/ )

You have to know someone who already own the full, paid for version of the software as well as the SAGE SmartProbe in order to update the BIOS of your Gizmo 1 as well as your Gizmo 2.

RE: Can Gizmo 2 use GX-420CA and 2GB chips w/o issues?

monkeyman_stones — Sun, 28 May 2017 21:57:14 GMT

Think I found part of it (many, many thanks to Enrico Miglino above for the "Gizmo2" post which made things so very much easier), at least the Coreboot bios update info about it:

From -

https://mail.coreboot.org/pipermail/coreboot-gerrit/2015-May/027085.html

"commit 1d9c7c5da78f7c3680c2a30093dab0883b3881dd Author: Fabian Kunkel <fabi at adv.bruhnspace.com> Date: Mon May 25 17:08:17 2015 +0200 mainboard/bap: Add support for BAP ODE E20XX Adding new board based on AMD Kabini. Most of the code is copied from gizmosphere/gizmo2 Board is developed by BAP - Bruhnspace Advanced

BAP ODE E20XX has 2GB ram soldered down on the Q7 + +# 0 Number of SPD Bytes used / Total SPD Size / CRC Coverage +# bits[3:0]: 1 = 128 SPD Bytes Used +# bits[6:4]: 1 = 256 SPD Bytes Total +# bit7 : 0 = CRC covers bytes 0 ~ 125 +92 + +# 1 SPD Revision - +# 0x10 = Revision 1.0 +12 + +# 2 Key Byte / DRAM Device Type +# bits[7:0]: 0x0b = DDR3 SDRAM +0B + +# 3 Key Byte / Module Type +# bits[3:0]: 3 = SO-DIMM +# bits[7:4]: reserved +03 + +# 4 SDRAM CHIP Density and Banks +# bits[3:0]: 3 = 2 Gigabits Total SDRAM"