When is Eagle v8 coming   out?

Hi Jorge,

What will be the rental (subscription) cost for the 'EAGLE Make' version?

To be honest I don't necessarily mind subscription provided that over the long run it works out cheaper than renewing under the old model, so if there is (say) a major release each year, and it would have cost (say) 100 euro per release with the older non-subscription model, then (say) 200 euro for three years under subscription  (i.e. $8 per month) looks really good.

Some people stay on older releases to save costs, so they will be less inclined to do that if they see that they can continue to have the latest release if they want it, at a lower overall cost.

But it does have to work really well, there is nothing more frustrating than swapping out some hardware on the PC and finding that the software locks up and an e-mail needs to be sent.

Anyway, this is just a single opinion, I know others have used EAGLE for a lot longer than me and know the commercial models a lot better than me, and I truly respect their opinion. I just wanted to provide some input from a personal user perspective, for EAGLE Make version only.

Jorge Garcia wrote on Wed, 18 January 2017 12:41

1) Will Eagle still allow you to fully inspect designs in

read-only mode

while completely offline for more than 14 days (or without an

Autodesk

account at all).

 

As of right now it becomes unusable. I was not aware of that, I will

bring it to the attention of management immediately to see if this can

 

be changed. Having it as a reader shouldn't conflict with Autodesk

policies.

 

You need to have an Autodesk account, even to use the freeware. They

are

easy to obtain from accounts.autodesk.com

Hi Jorge,

Thanks for explaining, and bringing up this issue with management.

I see it as a serious problem if it is not possible, after installing

Eagle, to even inspect designs without an internet connection and working

license situation.

No license enforcement software is perfect. As well as issues with

connectivity, I have had problems in the past where a system update since a

piece of software was last used has broken the license checking mechanism,

requiring an update from the software provider.

As it stands you are telling us that under any of the following conditions

we would no longer be able to use Eagle at all:

1) You are currently without a working internet connection and you are not

signed in (or last used Eagle more than 14 days ago)

2) The Autodesk license server is temporarily down and you are not signed

in (or last used Eagle more than 14 days ago)

3) An operating system update has broken the license enforcement mechanism

and a fix has not yet been released

It is of course potentially very problematic that Eagle should lose any

functionality in such conditions, but it sounds like Autodesk won't budge

on it.

Therefore I think it is very important that in ALL of these situations,

Eagle at the very least falls back to being a fully functional reader.

Imagine being at a factory in China and being unable to properly check an

urgent design query because you don't have an internet connection? Or you

do have a connection, but there is some kind of software issue caused by

your OS? You must at least be able to inspect the designs, even if you

can't modify them.

This is absolutely critical stuff.

Jorge Garcia wrote on Wed, 18 January 2017 12:41

Yes, we will continue to be XML.

Better news thanks!

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On 01/18/2017 01:14 PM, shabaz wrote:

Hi Jorge,

 

What will be the rental (subscription) cost for the 'EAGLE Make' version?

To be honest I don't necessarily mind subscription provided that over the long run it works out cheaper than renewing under the old model, so if there is (say) a major release each year, and it would have cost (say)

100 euro per release with the older non-subscription model, then (say)

200 euro for three years under subscription  (i.e. $8 per month) looks

really good.

 

Some people stay on older releases to save costs, so they will be less inclined to do that if they see that they can continue to have the latest release if they want it, at a lower overall cost.

 

But it does have to work really well, there is nothing more frustrating than swapping out some hardware on the PC and finding that the software locks up and an e-mail needs to be sent.

 

Anyway, this is just a single opinion, I know others have used EAGLE for a lot longer than me and know the commercial models a lot better than me, and I

truly respect their opinion. I just wanted to provide some input from a

personal user perspective, for EAGLE Make version only.

 

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Hi Shabaz,

Pricing structure will be officially announced soon enough, there will

be pricing options that are really close to your request.  EAGLE will be

tied to your Autodesk Account, so no matter what happens as long as you

have online access you should be able to activate EAGLE.  As stated

earlier, the free version will remain available.

Your participation and comments on the Forum are greatly appreciated.

Ed

On 18/01/17 17:53, Jorge Garcia wrote:

You are correct in that EAGLE is now a subscription model.

That's a complete show-stopper for me.

On 18/01/17 17:53, Jorge Garcia wrote:

You are correct in that EAGLE is now a subscription model.

That's a complete show-stopper for me.

Jorge Garcia wrote on Wed, 18 January 2017 17:53

 

<snip>

 

At this point in time and under this licensing mechanism there is no

solution for off-network machines. There are other schemes at ADSK that

 

do allow off-network licenses, but EAGLE doesn't currently have them. I

 

will be making our management aware of this full thread to see what

improvements can be made.

 

Autodesk is full subscription going forward and this position is

non-negotiable. I know that for a lot of you this is not good news, but

 

there's not much that can be done about it.

 

I'm truly sorry guys.

Jorge Garcia

There's no need to be sorry Jorge. Either EAGLE customers will accept this

change or they won't.  I hope Autodesk did a lot of research into the mess

that Farnell made with v7.0 licensing and have thought through how people

use EAGLE.

I have a question about the subscription model.  Say I subscribe at v8.0

and continue subscription until v8.2 comes out.  Then I stop subscribing.

Can I continue to use v8.2 indefinitely?

One other question:  The website says the "Standard" license is 2-signal

layers and "Premium" is 16 layers.   Is the 2-signal layers a typo?  What

happened to the 6-layer level in between (formerly called Standard before

Autodesk changed the names)?

Finally, consider businesses (like mine, Stratford Digital) who stake their

reputation on EAGLE.  If I can't work because of something out of my

control (autodesk's server is down, internet between here and there is not

working, ...) then I may not be able to deliver and that looks bad on me.

As a professional, I can't just blame the tools.  That is one of the main

reasons I chose EAGLE all those years ago:  it doesn't crash, it works on

every platform, and it doesn't need any other infrastructure to please the

licensing gods.  I'm still trying to get my head around the changes but I

hope that this will still continue to be the case.

Cheers,

James.

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I dont like this renting software model: I would prefer to pay for it, and use it with or without being online and get free updates as they become available. ~ Similiar to buying software on the Apple App Store.

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I do not like this renting software model: I would prefer to pay for it. Use it with or without being online and get free updates as they become available. ~ Similiar to buying software on the Apple App Store

This is a no-go for me.

On 19.01.2017 03:26, Josh Hewson wrote:

I dont like this renting software model: I would prefer to pay for it, and use it with or without being online and get free updates as they become available. ~ Similiar to buying software on the Apple App Store.

I agree to this. I don't like to be held hostage (* see below) by some

unknown  future company policy. I find the "old" sw model very reliable,

as it doesn't matter what the future brings.

I do see sw/apps changing toward subscription models and I don't like

it. In fact I try to stay away from it. If my kid wants to play a game

on the ipad and I can buy it for $5, I may do that. If they want $1 a

month, by principle I don't buy it, even if I know the kid will be tired

of the game within a month. It is just the amount of involvement that

puts me off. I have to start getting mentally involved, like thinking

"but what happens after I pay for a month and a month has passed? Will

they automatically charge me again? For how long?", so I just don't go

there. I prefer paying some extra to get all that out of my head.

My biggest worry is some kind of future change "outside your walls" that

will render the software unusable and basically ask for ransom in a

social acceptable way, like require you to pay for soft or hw updates. I

think sw companies are really taking advantage of customers that don't

read or care about the license agreements because they are unable to

understand any consequences.

When it comes to Eagle 8, I don't know what to do yet. I am not

comfortable upgrading, but may end up doing it after all if I find the

new features worthy, but it will leave me with some discomfort, like

loosing another battle. Investigating what Kicad can do is very

tempting, and I feel I should enforce my strong opinion as customer too.

(*) I have seen this hostage situation happen on my old gen1 ipad, where

apps stop working and deny upgrades unless you have latest iOS, even if

the old hardware is perfectly capable of doing the job. It is just too

much hassle for them to support all iOS versions. I think we will see

more of these issues in the future.

On 19.01.2017 03:05, James Morrison wrote:

That is one of the main

reasons I chose EAGLE all those years ago:  it doesn't crash, it works on

every platform, and it doesn't need any other infrastructure to please the

licensing gods.  I'm still trying to get my head around the changes but I

hope that this will still continue to be the case.

 

Cheers,

 

James.

 

Fully ACK.