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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://community.element14.com/cfs-file/__key/system/syndication/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"><channel><title>DRC clearance error</title><link>https://community.element14.com/products/eagle/f/eagle-user-support-english/38848/drc-clearance-error</link><description>I am using a library for MCP73871 battery controller. I tried two different librarys but I get the same clearance error as shown in the picture. This is qfn package where the centre is the exposed pad and is grounded. Changing DRC clearance does not get</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 12</generator><lastBuildDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2019 09:39:33 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" href="https://community.element14.com/products/eagle/f/eagle-user-support-english/38848/drc-clearance-error" /><item><title>RE: DRC clearance error</title><link>https://community.element14.com/thread/142946?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2019 09:39:33 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">93d5dcb4-84c2-446f-b2cb-99731719e767:fe7cc797-6837-49ae-adce-e11497411f07</guid><dc:creator>nav101</dc:creator><description>&lt;p style="margin:0;font-family:Arial, &amp;#39;Lucida Grande&amp;#39;, sans-serif;color:#333333;"&gt;Joern, the minimum is actually 2.6x2.6mm and I did exactly what you said and it got rid of the clearance error.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;font-family:Arial, &amp;#39;Lucida Grande&amp;#39;, sans-serif;color:#333333;"&gt;Thanks&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: DRC clearance error</title><link>https://community.element14.com/thread/142947?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2019 09:38:06 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">93d5dcb4-84c2-446f-b2cb-99731719e767:76c544dc-6356-4a95-918f-d7f5b14141a1</guid><dc:creator>autodeskguest</dc:creator><description>&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;Joern, the minimum is actually 2.6x2.6mm and I did exactly what you said and it got rid of the clearance error.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;Thanks&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;--&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;To view any images and attachments in this post, visit:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;&lt;a class="" href="https://www.element14.com/community/message/284671"&gt;https://www.element14.com/community/message/284671&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: DRC clearance error</title><link>https://community.element14.com/thread/142938?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2019 09:22:04 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">93d5dcb4-84c2-446f-b2cb-99731719e767:37cee136-3950-4f7f-9afe-1150bddaccd4</guid><dc:creator>autodeskguest</dc:creator><description>&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;Am 05.11.2019 um 21:07 schrieb Rob Pearce:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="jive-quote"&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;On 05/11/2019 18:58, Nav Khan wrote:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote class="jive-quote"&gt;&lt;blockquote class="jive-quote"&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;I am new to this and this is my first design, I was really under the &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;impression that the librarys available online are accurate. The &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;manufacturing view of the device shows the central pad so large that &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;it is touching the other surrounding pads. I should get down to &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;designing my library...Thanks again&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote class="jive-quote"&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;So, first lesson... never trust anybody else&amp;#39;s library! This is a rule &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;that those of us who use Eagle a lot (or, indeed, use any other PCB CAD &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;software in a professional environment) find ourselves repeating on the &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;user forum. You cannot trust what you find on the web, to the point that &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;it&amp;#39;s usually quicker just to create the part yourself than search, &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;download, and verify.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;If you&amp;#39;re experiencing differences between the library and the board, &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;this is something of an FAQ. It&amp;#39;s down to DRC rules. However, this is &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;mostly an issue for through-hole components, where the &amp;quot;annular ring&amp;quot; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;setting plays havoc with newbies&amp;#39; expectations. In essence, the library &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;defines the minimum sizes needed for the component, while the DRC rules &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;define the capabilities of the board house for that project. If the &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;board house can&amp;#39;t achieve the ultra-thin copper ring that the library &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;defines for a PTH pad, the board gets a fatter one. I wouldn&amp;#39;t expect &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;that to be your problem as it doesn&amp;#39;t normally affect SMD pads.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;The manufacturing preview may not always be fully accurate. Autodesk &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;generally say that, where there is a discrepancy, the board editor is &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;the one to trust. Or you can generate Gerber files and open them in &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;something like gerbv, which should be definitive.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;BTW, the Element14 forum, and the old CadSoft NNTP server it&amp;#39;s linked &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;to, are not the best place for Eagle advice any more. You&amp;#39;d get a better &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;spread of response (including official support) from the Autodesk forum &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;at &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/bd-p/3500" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" target="_blank"&gt;https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/bd-p/3500&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;According the data sheet the exposed pad measures 2.5x2.5 mm.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;You can check/correct it and maybe the problem is solved.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;So, second lesson... never trust anybody else&amp;#39;s library! as Rob already &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;said.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;-- &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;Joern Paschedag&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: DRC clearance error</title><link>https://community.element14.com/thread/142928?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2019 20:07:51 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">93d5dcb4-84c2-446f-b2cb-99731719e767:adb6f07c-dfa1-4eeb-8b51-28eb7f955f0d</guid><dc:creator>autodeskguest</dc:creator><description>&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;On 05/11/2019 18:58, Nav Khan wrote:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="jive-quote"&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;I am new to this and this is my first design, I was really under the impression that the librarys available online are accurate. The manufacturing view of the device shows the central pad so large that it is touching the other surrounding pads. I should get down to designing my library...Thanks again&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;So, first lesson... never trust anybody else&amp;#39;s library! This is a rule &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;that those of us who use Eagle a lot (or, indeed, use any other PCB CAD &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;software in a professional environment) find ourselves repeating on the &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;user forum. You cannot trust what you find on the web, to the point that &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;it&amp;#39;s usually quicker just to create the part yourself than search, &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;download, and verify.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;If you&amp;#39;re experiencing differences between the library and the board, &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;this is something of an FAQ. It&amp;#39;s down to DRC rules. However, this is &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;mostly an issue for through-hole components, where the &amp;quot;annular ring&amp;quot; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;setting plays havoc with newbies&amp;#39; expectations. In essence, the library &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;defines the minimum sizes needed for the component, while the DRC rules &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;define the capabilities of the board house for that project. If the &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;board house can&amp;#39;t achieve the ultra-thin copper ring that the library &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;defines for a PTH pad, the board gets a fatter one. I wouldn&amp;#39;t expect &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;that to be your problem as it doesn&amp;#39;t normally affect SMD pads.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;The manufacturing preview may not always be fully accurate. Autodesk &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;generally say that, where there is a discrepancy, the board editor is &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;the one to trust. Or you can generate Gerber files and open them in &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;something like gerbv, which should be definitive.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;BTW, the Element14 forum, and the old CadSoft NNTP server it&amp;#39;s linked &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;to, are not the best place for Eagle advice any more. You&amp;#39;d get a better &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;spread of response (including official support) from the Autodesk forum &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;at &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="jive-link-external-small" href="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/bd-p/3500" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" target="_blank"&gt;https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/bd-p/3500&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: DRC clearance error</title><link>https://community.element14.com/thread/142911?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2019 18:58:27 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">93d5dcb4-84c2-446f-b2cb-99731719e767:1bdd9022-4e3a-429c-81fc-fdec8c66dbd6</guid><dc:creator>nav101</dc:creator><description>&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;Hi Thanks for the response.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;The vias are non issue as I just added them to check if that would help in the clearance. So the clearance issue is still there even without the vias. I am new to this and this is my first design, I was really under the impression that the librarys available online are accurate. The manufacturing view of the device shows the central pad so large that it is touching the other surrounding pads. I should get down to designing my library...Thanks again &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: DRC clearance error</title><link>https://community.element14.com/thread/142910?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2019 18:48:23 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">93d5dcb4-84c2-446f-b2cb-99731719e767:aa9a7256-28ff-4082-adbc-ea39d8390ea5</guid><dc:creator>autodeskguest</dc:creator><description>&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;On 05/11/2019 17:41, Nav Khan wrote:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote class="jive-quote"&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;I am using a library for MCP73871 battery controller. I tried two different librarys but I get the same clearance error as shown in the picture. This is qfn package where the centre is the exposed pad and is grounded.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;Changing DRC clearance does not get rid of the error. Is it a faulty library or am i doing something wrong ... MANY THANKS &lt;a class="" href="https://www.element14.com/community/Untitled.jpg"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;There are two separate issues here.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;First, the four thermal vias in the centre pad are misaligned such that &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;one of them is practically touching pin 13. You need to re-centre them. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;They&amp;#39;re also not being recognised as ground vias, by the look of it, &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;although the airwires suggest they are correctly named. Which version of &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;Eagle are you using? I think the rules changed at some point.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;Second, you&amp;#39;ve got pad-to-pad clearance settings in your DRC rules that &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;don&amp;#39;t allow for this footprint. I&amp;#39;m not familiar with the device in &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;question so I can&amp;#39;t say whether the centre pad really needs to be as &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;large as it is, or whether you need a board house that can manage very &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;small clearances.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;In practice, even if those clearances are OK for manufacture, you may &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;well need to adjust (or remove and hand-craft) the automatic solder mask &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;on all the pads of a device like that.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>