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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://community.element14.com/cfs-file/__key/system/syndication/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"><channel><title>How does the AC Fail signal work in a power supply?</title><link>https://community.element14.com/products/manufacturers/tdk/w/documents/7828/how-does-the-ac-fail-signal-work-in-a-power-supply</link><description /><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 12</generator><item><title>How does the AC Fail signal work in a power supply?</title><link>https://community.element14.com/products/manufacturers/tdk/w/documents/7828/how-does-the-ac-fail-signal-work-in-a-power-supply</link><pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2021 08:49:18 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">93d5dcb4-84c2-446f-b2cb-99731719e767:1a1aa535-26f5-47c4-b728-ca79e8845b09</guid><dc:creator>Nortski</dc:creator><comments>https://community.element14.com/products/manufacturers/tdk/w/documents/7828/how-does-the-ac-fail-signal-work-in-a-power-supply#comments</comments><description>Current Revision posted to Documents by Nortski on 10/7/2021 8:49:18 AM&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;I was recently talking to one of our Design Engineers about my blog and he suggested a clarification of the operation of the AC Fail signal would be a good topic.&amp;nbsp; He stated that he was often asked “at what input voltage does the AC Fail signal operate?”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;A power supply’s AC Fail signal is used to provide a warning to the user that the AC input power has either been lost, or is dropping in voltage to a point that the power supply will soon no longer be able to regulate or provide power.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;Customers using such a signal will then have a short period of time (typically 5 to 10ms) in which to store any data or start an orderly shutdown of their system.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;Internal to the power supply, the AC Fail circuit is usually a simple circuit comparing a reference with the voltage of a primary side housekeeping supply.&amp;nbsp; In the event that voltage drops, drive is removed from an opto-coupler and the user provided with an AC Fail signal state change.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;Before the widespread use of Power Factor Correction (PFC), the AC Fail did indeed operate at a set input voltage.&amp;nbsp; I remember as a Test Technician reducing the input voltage with a variable transformer (variac) to check the function.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;On those non PFC power supplies, the AC input is peak rectified as shown below.&amp;nbsp; The main switching converter operates off that unregulated high voltage buss, the value of which is a direct function of the AC input voltage – between 120 and 375VDC.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="text-align:center;margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align:center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-on8QRD26cPo/TW54vQtA_FI/AAAAAAAAANk/mkikxaEgnwU/s1600/Picture2.gif" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" style="margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;img alt="image" border="0" height="192" src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-on8QRD26cPo/TW54vQtA_FI/AAAAAAAAANk/mkikxaEgnwU/s320/Picture2.gif" width="320"  /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align:center;"&gt;Click to enlarge&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="text-align:center;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On power supplies with PFC though, that high voltage buss is regulated using a boost circuit – to around 360VDC.&amp;nbsp; Now any change to the AC input voltage (within the normal operating range) is not reflected in a change in the DC buss; hence a different test method must be used.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="text-align:center;clear:both;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7UMXdWWqQcg/TW547ZDmN6I/AAAAAAAAANo/lGvnPlVfNO0/s1600/Picture3.gif" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" style="margin-left:1em;margin-right:1em;" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;img loading="lazy" alt="image" border="0" height="280" src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7UMXdWWqQcg/TW547ZDmN6I/AAAAAAAAANo/lGvnPlVfNO0/s320/Picture3.gif" width="320"  /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Use a storage oscilloscope to monitor the output voltage, the AC Fail signal and if desired, an &lt;strong&gt;isolation transformer&lt;/strong&gt; to display the AC input voltage.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="text-align:center;clear:both;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-hVbGrfFKp78/TW55AZMQO1I/AAAAAAAAANs/-Zg6oJyNNq4/s1600/Picture4.gif" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" style="margin-left:1em;margin-right:1em;" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;img loading="lazy" alt="image" border="0" height="198" src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-hVbGrfFKp78/TW55AZMQO1I/AAAAAAAAANs/-Zg6oJyNNq4/s320/Picture4.gif" width="320"  /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align:center;"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Turn off the input voltage and measure the time between the AC Fail signal going low and the output voltage starting to drop.&amp;nbsp; This is the amount of warning time you will have.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;padding:0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin:0;"&gt;Unlike with a non PFC power supply, this warning time will not be related to input voltage. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div style="font-size: 90%;"&gt;Tags: ac_fail_signal, power_supplies, switchmode_power_supplies, tdk-lambda&lt;/div&gt;
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