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Archaeology Resistivity Meter

kltm
kltm over 5 years ago

Hi I'm looking for ideas on an update to a resistivity meter for archaeology. The only published designs for diy were in 2 magazines. One was published in 1997 and the other in 2003. I have copies of both articles available. The reason behind this is the current high cost of available equipment, usually well beyond the reach of most archaeological groups. I've attached a basic block diagram. In the first magazine article the meter is very basic. It relied on the operators to write down the reading given as the survey was taken. Given that a normal survey grid is 20m x 20m and 1 reading is taken on every sq mtr there would be 400 readings to write down and then input into a program used to interpret the results. The later article is really an update to the first where a PIC has been added to record the readings. This again is prone to error, because eadings are taken manually by pressing a button.

I'm sure given the advances in electronics there must be better ways. 

 

 

 

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  • kltm
    kltm over 5 years ago in reply to michaelkellett +8
    Hi Michael This all sounds very interesting and encouraging. I see you have found the original article, the update is also on slideshare somewhere. I haven’t really thought much about cost, but as you…
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 5 years ago in reply to shabaz +7
    I can't live with that - I have to have symmetry The problem is that the Howland current pump doesn't constrain the voltage on the load at all when perfectly balanced - and my LTSpice model is unrealistically…
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 5 years ago in reply to michaelkellett +7
    AS promised - now for the phase sensitive detector. I couldn't easily model this in LTSpice, which is no great surprise because it needs multiplication and square roots. I used Simulink in MATLAB - which…
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 5 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    These photos are not really related, except to show an adapter plate. My overall construction of this unit is poor, it was just a quickly-hacked-together low-noise low-current (100mA maximum I think) portable fixed-voltage DC supply project that I only needed for one use-case, but I'd like to re-do it properly sometime. The dual-Lithium battery here is a lot smaller than NP-F, about the size of a 9V PP3 battery:

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    The photo below shows the adapter plate (these are sold individually, normally used to fit the battery to a universal charger):

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    Final unit, just banana sockets, LED, power switch and I can charge it from 9-12V using the DC jack on the side:

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  • phoenixcomm
    phoenixcomm over 5 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    michaelkellett  Michael, to make life easier, why not use the above circuit as an input to a Pi 4 with an external SATA drive via the USB3 port?image  AND BTW couple it with GPS info from a small GPS unit for the PI. Then when you are done with your survey you could remove the drive and put it on an external holder (about $40usd) mine is a Thermaltake BlackX 5G.

    For S&Giggles you could put some sort of display keyboard so you can say START GRID #  or other things.

    ~~Cris

     

    PS I was unaware about your probes making contact with the ground image but that should not be an issue as you can drive the probes into the soil with a solenoid, or whatever. The  Operator could control the insertion and retraction of the probes via the display.

    START  maybe enter grid number

    get GPS (x, y) of the current grid

    store X & Y

     

    do {

    get new gps

    probe down

    take reading

    write data GRID, GPS, Reading

    walk .5m  }( X +.5m < X+20m );

    Tell the operator to do the next row.

    if (Y + .5m < Y+ 20n) back to the do{ 

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 5 years ago in reply to phoenixcomm

    Well, it's a possibility, my plan would be to have a COM port over USB interface so it can certainly work with a lap top.

    My experience of using a lap top in the field (mainly automotive) is largely bad - too big and heavy, run out of power, can't see screen in sunlight etc.

    A little screen on the device is much nicer to work with but harder work to get it doing dood stuff.

    Having the option to work via serial port expands options.

    I try to write serial control protocols that can work internally between GUI and the core as well as between the core and a PC.

    Serial over Bluetooth is an option as well.

     

    Thanks for suggestions.

     

    MK

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 5 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps
    documented with up to date project description, diagrams

     

    Did someone say PowerPoint? : )

    No? Oh well, now it's mentioned : ) I'm happy to put the block diagram so far into that, so that anyone can modify it, since I've got reasonable idea from the thread so far, but it will need refining since it's just ideas currently. It's easy to copy the PowerPoint slide into the same deck, and modify it to express other possible implementations by anyone.

    Otherwise I can use Visio although I don't like it as much, and I'm much quicker with powerpoint. Anyway it's easy to copy-paste from Powerpoint or Visio into any other application like Word etc, or generate .png graphics for open documents, and so on. Any good documentation or organising or any other contribution would be great if you don't mind helping fmilburn or Jan or anyone (and collectively we might eventually know about as much archaeology as that kid Short Round in Indiana Jones), and hope your home moving-in is going well Frank!!

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 5 years ago in reply to shabaz

    I'll post my ideas so far as a hand drawn and scanned block diagram - but not until tomorrow since I have no scanner or squared paper here.

     

    MK

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  • fmilburn
    fmilburn over 5 years ago in reply to shabaz

    Hi Shabaz,

    (1) and (2) in the Snuffler capabilities would seem easy to implement on a relatively low resolution screen In the field as you suggest. For a 20x20 or even 40x40 grid a simple graphic like heatmap in MATLAB could be displayed easily enough with a uC. That would allow an operator to see fliers or anomalies as they are appear.

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    fmilburn over 5 years ago in reply to shabaz

    Thanks Shabaz and Michael,

    Readers looking at this for the first time and mechanical engineers without a clue everywhere will thank you for the block diagram. PowerPoint is the universal tool of corporate drones and I know it well :-)

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  • phoenixcomm
    phoenixcomm over 5 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    michaelkellett Michael, Did I say laptop? Nope, Nada. what I said was a display and a keyboard of some sort. The display could be a 4x20 I2C LED Thing. And the keyboard could just be a pad or a full USB/ps2 keyboard (your choice!) there are three so pick one. LOL.

    ~~Cris.

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 5 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Good news, I searched around for a way to get USB UART with Android, and had some luck! I found some source code for MCP2221, and got it to eventually compile:

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    That's just the simulator, I need to test on my phone (I couldn't find my USB OTG cable, but I'll search for it later today, and then try it with a couple of baud rates to see what's supported!

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  • kltm
    kltm over 5 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Hi a full graphics display wouldn’t be entirely necessary. It was done a few years back on a unit by T R SYSTEMS. They seem to have disappeared though. It was a box of electronics mounted on the side of the frame and an android tablet mounted facing the operator. The connection was remote and I guess Bluetooth. It’s complicated when surveying to work out exactly where you are on a grid, what with 20 rows to survey and 400 readings to take. Seeing numbers relating to your position is good, but it can still be confusing. We also have the added complication of obstructions, such as trees where we can take a reading. A dummy reading is taken in these instances. I’ve posted up my build of the original 2003 resistivity logger and there is also the GEOSCAN RM85 offering, both I feel overcomplicated in the number of buttons and very small displays. Equally the RM FROBISHER unit has a minimalist design, but a nightmare menu system behind it.

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