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12V Low Battery Cutoff

logiclevel14
logiclevel14 over 5 years ago

I am looking for the best/lowest current draw way to create a low battery cutoff for a 12v battery powered circuit.  The battery will power a micro-controller and also a number of solenoids that may draw up to 10 amps.  Because of the high amperage draw lithium ion batteries may be out of the question.  I could be wrong but when dealing with a high amperage draw, a NiMh may be the better solution.  The amperage will draw be of a short duration, probably 1 second.  I know it is common for lithium ion batteries to have built in low battery cutoff circuits but when dealing with a standalone NIMh battery or any other generic 12v battery what would be the best way to set up a low battery(10.6v) cutoff?  There are low battery cutoff modules, but I find these to be defective half the time and they draw too much current.  There are low battery cutoff IC's I see but they only deal with low voltage supplies like 5v or less.  Does anyone know of a low voltage cutoff ic that works with 12v batteries?  I may or may not be using a 555 timer and/or an attiny85 microcontroller in the circuit.  Can these devices be used to create a low voltage cutoff?  I programmed an arduino to cutoff the voltage at 10.5 volts using the serial monitor but I could only get this to work when the Arduino was plugged in to computer via usb.  Does serial monitor work with a microcontroller when powered by battery alone or does it need to be plugged into a computer via usb?

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  • genebren
    genebren over 5 years ago +7
    Here is a device that sounds like what you are looking for: http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tl7702a.pdf . The TL7712 device is a 12 volt monitor that trips if the voltage drops below 10.8V. Current draw…
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 5 years ago +3
    This is really hard to follow. There's a lot of assumptions here, so in-between those assumptions I'm not confident in the 'probably 1 second' and 10 amps values too. Could you supply a circuit diagram…
  • logiclevel14
    logiclevel14 over 5 years ago in reply to genebren +3
    Thank you gene I think this should do it.
  • logiclevel14
    logiclevel14 over 5 years ago in reply to colporteur

    that barest minimum of investment yielded the desired result, the essence of engineering.

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  • Sean_Miller
    Sean_Miller over 5 years ago in reply to genebren

    That chip is very impressive.  I could see it being one I'd drop on every project involving SD card driven systems like the RPi and BeagleBone boards.

     

    I gathered that with under voltage condition, pin 5 goes low. 

     

    Not the original poster's scenario, but thinking about it for microcontrollers - I imagine you'd need a voltage divider to protect the GPIO on 3.3V logic levels, which would be an additional drain, though.  Is there a better approach to than a voltage divider?

     

    Can anyone see how one sets the "undervoltage" value?  For instance, I'd like a Pi to powerdown softly once a 12V battery dips to 8V that is going through a switching regulator that provides a stable 5V to the pi. 

     

    Thanks,

    Sean

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  • logiclevel14
    logiclevel14 over 5 years ago in reply to Sean_Miller

    From what I understand most 12v standby batteries are considered dead at around 10.6 to 11.2 volts.  There are batteries types capable of deep discharges but they may not hold a charge as well as a standard UPS standby battery.    Here is a good forum discussing it.   https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/177032/how-bad-is-it-to-undervoltage-a-12-volt-lead-acid-battery

     

    So if you look at the datasheet that Gene posted you can see the L7712A is designed for use with 12 volt batteries.  The cutoff voltage is 10.8 volts. 

     

    If you need to step down from 12v to 5v just use a voltage regulator.  Most common is a 7805.  Just make sure it is a fixed voltage regulator like the L7805CVL7805CV.

     

    If you do end up using a deep discharge type of battery you could theoretically use a buck boost converter which will output 12v even if the battery is below 12v.  These can destroy batteries though so be careful. Here is a video that goes into buck boost and many other power related things.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT19dg73nKU

     

    As far as the 8 volts go you should be able to read voltage off the battery from the Ras.  Use a voltage divider to create an analog value that the Pi can read, then activate an output pin when your battery reaches 8v.

     

    You may be able to use a L7709A, which has a cutoff value of 7.6v. 

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    logiclevel14 over 5 years ago in reply to logiclevel14

    actually the buck boost would be pointless unless you actually need 12 volts

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  • genebren
    genebren over 5 years ago in reply to Sean_Miller

    Sean,

     

    These devices are ordered based on the required "under voltage".

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    Gene

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  • Sean_Miller
    Sean_Miller over 5 years ago in reply to genebren

    Thanks, Gene.  At $1 a pop, I'm buying 10.  Wayyy better than a corrupted SD card.

     

    -Sean

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  • Sean_Miller
    Sean_Miller over 5 years ago in reply to Sean_Miller

    While I was ordering, I found TPS3808G30 will cover 3.3V applications.  Could help prevent damaging LiPos.

     

    -Sean

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  • genebren
    genebren over 5 years ago in reply to Sean_Miller

    Sean,

     

    For LiPo batteries, the 3.3V limit is likely a little too safe.  These cells are usually safe down to 2.8V, although I have seen commercial products that limit them down as far as 2.1V.

     

    Best of luck!

    Gene

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  • Sean_Miller
    Sean_Miller over 5 years ago in reply to genebren

    The 3.3V was it's nominal with a threshold of 3.01.  Perhaps the TPS3808G30 is better suited for a LiPo.

     

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  • genebren
    genebren over 5 years ago in reply to Sean_Miller

    I guess I was thinking more about the LiPo (safely down to 2.8v or lower) and you were thinking more about the logic (3.3V functional to 3.01).  Either way, these devices are great to make sure you are operating in a safe region within your system.

     

    Keep it safe!

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