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Do RF modules eliminate the need for RF Engineers?

Chris_Pinter
Chris_Pinter over 15 years ago

Do we need RF engineers now that radio modules are available?

 

Is designing a radio today as easy as plopping down an RF module onto a board and expecting it to work, assume it will pass FCC testing?   Or do we still need to consider RF testing, communication theory, conditions that promote unintentional radiation?  

 

What about propagation theory and antenna radiation?   Are these topics still relevant?

 

I believe many engineers who do not have a strong background in RF theory would hope this to be true.   As an RF engineering consultant I am seeing many small and medium sized companies (5 to 50 employees) using a condensed product development process in order to get product to market on time.  Often times I see the development process go from design to certification testing with verification testing focused on software and application testing with very little sound scientific RF testing and only limited RF propagation testing.

 

This has become a problem as product development engineers rely on the RF module manufacture to solve all of their RF problems.  To be honest this is not practical, The RF module manufacture has provided the module to reduce the emissions and provide a simple solution to creating an RF link.  The layout and placement of the module and antenna are critical and will affect the performance of circuits.

 

Testing is still very important to the success of the project and its ability to pass certification and perform as expected within the worst case conditions of the environment.

 

What do you think?

 

 

Chris Pinter

 

http://www.element-14.com/community/people/Chris_Pinter

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  • Problemchild
    Problemchild over 12 years ago in reply to gervasi

    Yes if you are designing in the comfortable "mid regions" of the technology then the benefit is minimal.In fact it's good design practice to think about that problem until you can implement it in that good middle ground where stuff just works. Marginal designs are not really good practice for what ever reason (some times cool but rarely where you want to be).  Again this is more about designingto get a job done and get paid than desiging for the beauty of the design ...Then again we all lament that the "fun's gone out of it" so may be we should take the occasional risk ????!

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  • gervasi
    gervasi over 12 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    "Then again we all lament that the "fun's gone out of it" so may be we should take the occasional risk"

     

    It's easier than ever to order a handful of different boards and try them all out.  Batch PCB places offer Rogers and multi-layer boards on quick turns at low cost. 

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  • Problemchild
    Problemchild over 12 years ago in reply to gervasi

    Yeah this is true maybe this is why E14 is doing so well selling modules etc to Hobbyists

    Only problem is that electronics can easily become a matter of expensive "Lego" if you take the module idea too far which is some times an issue with Arduinos etc (Yes that is a generalisation!)

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  • Chris_Pinter
    Chris_Pinter over 11 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    Yes,  there is a lot of different types of modules in the market.  My post was originally focused on the IC modules so that professional have an easier time developing the front end and IC interface.  The market now has RF embedded in the mico-CPU as a standard.  It is consider another communication port like USB and Ethernet.

     

    The challenges of RF today generally are related to manufacturing process, system design and network bandwidth considerations.  The "Engineering" of RF is moving from a heavy Physics understanding towards an application development.

     

    Chris Pinter

    www.pinterec.ca

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 11 years ago

    Chris: As a manufacturer of everything from complex subassemblies used on board satellites and defense platforms (and integrated into those system by world-class RF engineers)...to standard SMT couplers and PDs used in cell systems and power amps (also designed by RF engineers)...to a relatively new line of radio modules just like those you described in your original post -- folks here at Anaren most definitely see a permanent (and growing, actually) need for heavy-duty RF engineers.

     

    Radio modules simply offer folks without deep RF expertise a way to get their toes in the water of RF functionality and capability without footing the cost of full-blown RF engineering staff, testing infrastructure, etc. I personally see pre-certified, pre-tested radio modules as analogous to something like "QuickBooks" or "PeachTree" accounting software: There's a definite need for them out there for folks who will never become or need to become accountants, but that doesn't negate the need (in other contexts) for heavy duty accounting firms and complex financial and enterprise software like SAP/etc.   

     

    John Hoeschele
    www.anaren.com

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 10 years ago

    Leave it. Today, the RF devices are designed by software people, and the decisions are made by completely incompetent people, young managers and software guys. With this sort of moron thinking, it can't be changed. The change takes time and cruel learning curve.

    The questions recently raised are such as: Why the device range is 2 feet? Why the second device range is 40 feet.?

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