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ADIN1110 evaluation board and 192m of UTP-5

JWx
JWx 17 days ago

ADIN1110 evaluation board

As we have discovered previously, ADIN1110 differs from ADIN1100 PHYs we have used so far that it includes complete Ethernet adapter (both PHY and MAC functions). In this Challenge, we were provided with evaluation boards for both ADIN1100 and ADIN1110. 

External box of ADIN1110 evaluation kit is very similar to that of ADIN1100

ADIN1110 eval box

and inside there are two components: a board and USB cable

{gallery}ADIN1110

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192 meter test

Our next test would be connecting ADIN1110 evaluation board (that has on-board MCU and can serve a web page) with Raspberry PI - but before using CN-0575 shield, another interface will be used: USB 10BASE-T1L adapter that is included in  AD-SWIOT1L-SL : AD-T1LUSB2.0, that is basically USB Ethernet adapter with included ADIN1100 PHY. It's block diagram is below:

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Our test setup consists of 

  • Raspberry PI
  • 10BASE-T1L USB adapter
  • short run of MODBUS cable (included in AD-SWIOT1L-SL evaluation platform), later replaced with 48 meters of CAT5E UTP
  • USB powered ADIN1110 evaluation board in a default configuration

 30cm test case

and is (after configuring DHCP server on Raspberry PI, because default configuration of ADIN1110 evaluation board uses dynamic address) working, serving page as below:

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From this page, some interesting data can be gathered:

screenshot - annotated

As we can see, it has autonegotiated as slave/follower (which is consistent with default jumper setting of "prefer follower"), some quality metric is displayed and DHCP configuration is also present.

Then, 48 meters of UTP CAT5E cable was connected instead of MODBUS cable

48m UTP CAT5E

and? everything still worked:

50m

what is interesting - MSE metric is the same as using MODBUS cable...

Then - in line with wolfgangfriedrich suggestion - available UTP pairs were connected in series, giving effective distance of 192 meters (and additional crosstalk between pairs).

And? The system was still working:

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What is interesting - MSE metric is still the same and autonegotiation resulted in Master role (despite configured preference for follower).

 Unfortunately, on Raspberry PI side ever increasing counter of receive errors was observed:

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No good - although TCP retransmission  retrieves those lost packets, something is wrong:

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but - ICMP echo from the host is not affected, not even a single ping is lost.

After some research initial setup (with 30 cm of MODBUS cable) was restored - and lost packets were also observed:

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As a conclusion - ADIN1110 works on 192 meters of low quality cable. There is some packet loss but only in very specific situation: TCP data transmitted from ADIN1110, ICMP is not affected. 

At this stage it seems that this problem is elsewhere: USB adapter or Raspberry PI or maybe ADIN1110 demo software?

Additional tests are needed

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  • veluv01
    veluv01 17 days ago +2
    Most probably the ADIN1110 firmware since I got to see some dropped frames(which was visible in the web interface) after clearing the configurations through the serial connections. We may have to re-flash…
  • kmikemoo
    kmikemoo 16 days ago +2
    This is still great stuff. Testing the communication under less than optimal conditions more closely approximates real life and life on the factory floor - or down to the basement, across the boiler room…
  • JWx
    JWx 16 days ago in reply to kmikemoo +1
    as the saying goes "makeshift solutions are most permanent of all" - "let's configure this quickly for testing, then we will do it again for production use", and after several years everyone is cursing…
  • veluv01
    veluv01 17 days ago

    Most probably the ADIN1110 firmware since I got to see some dropped frames(which was visible in the web interface) after clearing the configurations through the serial connections. We may have to re-flash the firmware and test.

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  • kmikemoo
    kmikemoo 16 days ago

    This is still great stuff.  Testing the communication under less than optimal conditions more closely approximates real life and life on the factory floor - or down to the basement, across the boiler room ceiling, up an exhaust vent duct and out to the equipment. <- That was more of what I saw in application.
    Temporary "work arounds" almost always become more permanent than intended.  "Use what you got.  Get it running."
    Show me that this technology can be abused a bit.  THEN I can use it in the real world.

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  • JWx
    JWx 16 days ago in reply to kmikemoo

    as the saying goes "makeshift solutions are most permanent of all" - "let's configure this quickly for testing, then we will do it again for production use", and after several years  everyone is cursing suboptimal solution that was intended for quick test and stayed forever... 

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  • JWx
    JWx 16 days ago in reply to kmikemoo

    and - yes. it is impressive: 192m of cheap wire with improvised connections every 48m (just two wires twisted together - I would reject such a solution if I encountered it at work), probably generating signal reflections and impedance mismatch and probably no packet loss caused by the connection - especially when "standard" Ethernet over metal (this cable is not even copper but copper clad) is specified at 100m max (even 10Mb/s)

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  • wolfgangfriedrich
    wolfgangfriedrich 16 days ago

    That is very good real world testing with impressive results. Getting into the same order of magnitude (of cable length) with less the perfect conditions makes this a viable solution for the real world. I am most surprised that it works without any shielding.

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