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[Firecracker Analyser] [week 0] Sensor Research

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29 Oct 2014

Introduction

In order to make the system work, the first thing we need are sensor. I did some search and this is what I came up with. I need to fit sensors, parts and possibly some smd equipment into budget and that has made me fiddle with the design a LOT! Truthfully I am a bit ruffled up at this stage as to how I am going to make this work. People already have big workstations and workshops and I have been intimidated by all the "extra-electronic" craftsmanship in the past. I will do my best but it is easy to get scared at this point. image

 

Sensor research

 

So there are two types of sensors which can fit into budget. Here is a brief of both.

Semiconductor sensors

These are relatively inexpensive compared to other sensing technologies,  robust, lightweight, long lasting and benefit from high material sensitivity and quick response times. They have been used extensively to measure and monitor trace amounts of environmentally important gases such as carbon monoxide and nitrogen dioxide. They are also sometimes called Metal oxide semiconductor gas sensors. These are relatively cheaper and good example is the MQ-x series which is popularly available. I am not sure about the advantages or disadvantages and hence I request anyone with the knowledge to contribute.

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Electrochemical Sensors

 

According to wiki, "Electrochemical gas sensors are gas detectors that measure the concentration of a target gas by oxidizing or reducing the target gas at an electrode and measuring the resulting current." The gas diffuses into the sensor, through the back of the porous membrane to the working electrode where it is oxidized or reduced. This electrochemical reaction results in an electric current that passes through the external circuit. In addition to measuring, amplifying and performing other signal processing functions, the external circuit maintains the voltage across the sensor between the working and counter electrodes for a two electrode sensor or between the working and reference electrodes for a three electrode cell. At the counter electrode an equal and opposite reaction occurs, such that if the working electrode is an oxidation, then the counter electrode is a reduction.

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Others

There are other types such as :

  • Infrared sensors which use IR diffraction to measure gas levels. They are based upon the ability of some gases to absorb IR radiation. Many hydrocarbons absorb IR at approximately 3.4 micrometers and in this region H2O and CO2 are relatively transparent.
  • Catalytic sensors which work on the fact that that when gas oxidizes it produces heat, and the sensor converts the temperature change via a standard Wheatstone Bridge-type circuit to a sensor signal that is proportional to the gas concentration.
  • Flat surfaced ... sensors adopts advanced flat production technology. The heater and metal oxide semiconductor material on the ceramic substrate
  • Solid Electrolyte Gas sensors... based on ceramic components for the quantitative detection.
  • Other misc types

 

Manufacturers:

 

There is an array of manufacturers of these sensors and I list them out below:

  • Winsensor 气体传感器_红外传感器_黑白元件--郑州炜盛电子科技有限公司
  • Above in English 气体传感器|红外传感器|黑白元件-郑州炜盛电子科技有限公司
  • Gas Sensors / FIGARO Engineering inc
  • HW Sensor (The name on the datasheets) 气体探测器 - 河南汉威电子股份有限公司
  • Ravi;s blog. http://www.figarosensor.com/,
  • http://www.ccmoss.com/

 

Sensor Selection

 

I am selecting the following sensors for my application:

 

Gas DetectedTypeSensor Model
Carbon MonoxideSemiconductor Sensor

MQ307A or ME2B-CO(INSIDE)

MQ-7,(OUTSIDE)

MQ309A or TGS3870( CO and Methane)(OUTSIDE)

Carbon DioxideSemiconductor SensorMQ135(OUTSIDE)
Carbon DioxideElectrolchemical SensorMG811(INSIDE)
Hydrogen SulphideSemiconductor Sensor

MQ136(INSIDE)

HydrogenSulphide and Air QualitySemiconductor typeMQ135(OUTSIDE)
OxygenElectrochemical SensorME3-O2(INSIDE)
OxygenGalvanic Cell TypeKE-25(OUTSIDE)
Ozone and Nitrous OxideSemiconductor TypeMQ131(OUTSIDE)
Nitrous OxideElectrochemical TypeME3-NO2(INSIDE)
HydrogenSemiconductor TypeMQ137
Volatile HydrocarbonsMOS TypeTGS2602
Temperature & HumiditySemiconductorHDC1000(INSIDE)
Temperature & HumiditySemiconductorHDC`1000(OUTSIDE), TMP008
Particulate Matter-No IDEA

 

 

I am still working on the Particulate Matter part of the Sensors. I hope these fit in budget. The system this time will have an extensive array of data on various gasses in the air which will be logger to sierra airvantage.

 

Help

 

I request anyone with knowledge to correct, ammend, remove, remake the above list. Please share your experience because I have none in this particular field.

 

Thanks

IP

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  • michaelwylie
    michaelwylie over 10 years ago +2
    I almost forgot, don't forget to check the cross-sensitivity of other gases to the sensors you find. For example, you have a Hydrogen Sulfide sensor which responds to NH4 and CO. Also, keep in mind your…
  • michaelwylie
    michaelwylie over 10 years ago +1
    A lot of these sensors will be good for building a detector, that is to alarm when a certain threshold is reached, since drift is always a problem in those semiconductor sensors. Note in the technical…
  • DAB
    DAB over 10 years ago +1
    You might want to consider setting up a big funnel attached to a flexible hose with a small fan at the sensor end. You would be able to pull in a larger volume air sample and concentrate the material detection…
  • ipv1
    ipv1 over 10 years ago in reply to mcb1

    Mark sir,

    You are very right. I am looking at what I can fit in and hence will working at a feasibility study right now. I have been working with the CC3200 since the forget me not and have a fair idea of it's capabilities. The objective is systems that don't need maintenance hence I am looking at just that. I am reducing the sensors BUT keeping things functional.

    How about a remote blip with like 4 sensors, solar and wifi AND a base station with a beaglebone, LeadAcid, bigger solar panel and power hungry sensors? That's it. I will concentrate at what I do best-Make the architecture flexible and more... err "IOT".  image

     

    I will try to get a hold of some solar panels and make a lead acid battery system. I made one for a toll plaza VOIP phone a few years back at my work place. I think it will work and solve the power hungry part of the system. A visit to my local scrapyard is also pending where I can get module that people throw away. You never know what you may find and I might get fans and motors free(I am popular with the scrapyard guys image )

     

    I had my fingers crossed for the Celbox 3D printer roadtest but I was unworthy. image Will try my luck next time though image.

     

    I am not sure about the multiple sensor and then filter bit. That's why I am working to understand the working of the sensors better. I got an MQ sensor from my scrap pile but I don't know which one it is.( I get piles of stuff for cheap and later extract what I need - my own flee market. ) It's prolly an LPG sensor so will try to see how it performs. The problem is that my PSU is damaged so have to use an old computer PSU. If my sensors fit in budget that's the first thing I will get. My station is working fine and I already tried soldering and ...

    image

    That little thing near the transistor is the I2C DAC which drives the set voltage of my Regulator. Its a fork of Dave Jone's PSU which works off ANY input. I tried using the LT3115 which is a buck boost regulator and can do both. A work in progress.

     

    Point is... I can solder SMD!

     

    IP

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    ipv1 over 10 years ago in reply to mcb1

    Thanks for the input. I understand that there are some portable gas detectors available and am looking to get those sensors. The MQ series is for backup. More later.

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  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 10 years ago

    Don't let the whole application overwhelm you.

    While keeping with the design, try to break it into chunks and not rely on one piece of hardware making another work.

     

    You have a number of sensors, and each measures its own gas, so each is a standalone and will give some results.

    Sure the whole spectrum will give a better picture, but so would a lot of other things  ... all pointing to its bad.

     

    Is it possible to have two sensors, one filtered and one not to show the difference.? (maybe cost ???)

     

    Don't worry about workshops and lots of tools.

    I saw a very nice plasma cutter and a 3D printer used very effectively, but it didn't mean it couldn't be done in other ways.

     

    Mark

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  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 10 years ago in reply to ravi_butani
    have no way to battery powered application

    That depends on the battery size and your solar panel.

    You could also add a small wind vane to help.


    If you are solar powering this part of the system, how often or how long do you need to do the reading.?

     

    It also seems to me that you are trying to show the impact of an event, so you must be able to do the readings either side and during the event.

    if it's blowing then maybe upstream will give the readings without the impact.

     

    The difference is what will show the impact.


    Mark


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    ravi_butani over 10 years ago in reply to michaelwylie

    Completely agree... I like to add one more point... Reading stabilization time after power up sensor if too much (12-15 mins I have tested MQ-2) for MQ series gas sensor... By combining Power requirement and time to get stable reading MQ series sensor have no way to battery powered application...

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