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Forum Forum #3 - Hardware Integration - Adaptive Sentinel: Security Intelligence & Surveillance Hub
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  • Würth Elektronik 150015 Featherwing ICLED Display
  • Adafruit ADA2927 DC Motor + Stepper FeatherWing
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Forum #3 - Hardware Integration - Adaptive Sentinel: Security Intelligence & Surveillance Hub

skruglewicz
skruglewicz 20 days ago

As I dive into the hardware integration for the Adaptive Sentinel, I’ve hit a significant fork in the road. Integrating the Analog Devices FTHR-PMD-INTZ, the Würth Elektronik ICLED Display, and the Particle Ethernet FeatherWing is the goal, but the physical "how-to" is proving to be a challenge.

I’m looking to the community for some collaborative wisdom on how to best bridge these components without turning my workbench into a disaster zone. Here is the breakdown of my current dilemma:

The Stacking Roadblock

Initially, I envisioned a neat vertical stack. However, I’ve realized that the kit components come with pre-soldered male headers (FTHR-PMD-INTZ, ICLED Display, and the Ethernet Wing), not the pass-through stackable variety. Similarly, the MAX32630FTHR, CharliePlex LED, and Motor Wing include standard headers in the box, but again, they aren't stackable.

Without desoldering or adding stackable headers—a task I’m admittedly not very confident in yet—a pure vertical stack is off the table.

Breadboarding: A Secure Connection?

Breadboarding seems like the most logical path forward. I’m curious if any of you have experience using the headers provided in the packaging for the MAX32630FTHR or DC Motor Wing by simply seating the boards onto them in a breadboard without soldering.

My concern: Will this establish a secure enough electrical connection for reliable data transmission, or am I asking for "ghost" bugs and intermittent power failures? I’d love to hear if anyone has successfully prototyped this way before I commit.

The Particle Ethernet Wing Mystery

The third option I’m exploring involves the Particle FWNG-ETH Ethernet FeatherWing Adapter. It seems to have a unique rail-style layout, but the documentation is a bit sparse regarding its use as a "base" for other wings.

  • The Connection Logic: How do the signals actually route from Header 1 to Header 2?
  • Integration: If I use this as my main interconnect, how do I ensure the SPI pins for the Ethernet controller aren't conflicting with the ICLED matrix or the PMOD adapter?

I’ve been digging through the Particle Wiki, but it doesn't quite explain the "inter-header" connectivity for non-Particle hosts.

Next Steps & Experimentation

Over the next few days, I’ll be experimenting with these three specific topics:

  1. Mechanical Stability: Testing the "friction-fit" of un-soldered headers on the breadboard.
  2. Signal Mapping: Continuity testing the Particle Wing to see how the headers are internally tied together.
  3. Hybrid Layouts: Possibly using the FTHR on the breadboard while jumpering out to the pre-soldered wings.

I'm here to learn, so if you’ve faced these stacking "geometry" problems before, please weigh in! How are you all physically organizing your Sentinel builds?

Current Status: In-Progress / Experimenting

Tools in use: Multimeter, Breadboard, Jumper Wire Spaghetti.

What do you think about the friction-fit header idea—is it a recipe for a short circuit, or a valid prototyping shortcut?

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  • kmikemoo
    kmikemoo 19 days ago +2
    I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by "un-soldered headers". Put the boards on the breadboard and see if it gives you any problems. The breadboard won't be its final home and you might be able to figure…
  • saramic
    saramic 20 days ago

    yeah sounds interesting, I must say that not having been selected for a hardware kit has made me only get a MAX32360FTHR and not feel guilty for using my own set of other hardware. I did have an interesting first weekend writing blink for this EOL platform using EOL software - I ended up coding a solution from scratch in Rust Crab just because it felt cleaner - who knows - I am still writing my first blog post - my big question is Why was the MAX32360FTHR chosen given everything around it is so End of Life?

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  • arvindsa
    arvindsa 20 days ago

    1. Friction fit is a no-go for this. For reliable friction fit you need staggered holes like the ones in Microchip Curiosity Board. Photo here: https://community.element14.com/products/roadtest/rt/roadtests/709/apply_to_test_a_microchip_curiosity_nano_development_board#pifragment-18971=4&pifragment-18972=7&pifragment-19828=11) 
    2. Headers follow the Adafruit feather standard. https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-feather/feather-specification 
    3. You are looking at combining the MCU Feather, Ethernet Feather wing, ICLED, FTHR-PMD-INTZ. If it was me, it would depend on whether the FTHR-PMD-INTZ is used for an I2C sensor or SPI sensor, if its an I2C, I'd Mount the MCU feather on the Ethernet feather-wing. USe the other remaining header on the Ethernet extension pin to connect the ICLED and PMD-INTZ. if it's an SPI, let me know i will tell you, 

    I hope the development framework internally changes the logic level of the SPI pins used for the Ethernet to be 3.3V from the default 1.8V. it will not work otherwise. in my LPSDK Setup i had to explicitly set it at 3.3CV

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  • arvindsa
    arvindsa 20 days ago in reply to saramic

    Challenge i guess. :D

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  • dougw
    dougw 19 days ago

    I gather the Particle Featherwing Tripler is a full 3-module bus, plus extra prototyping capabilities.

    FeatherWing Tripler Mini Kit - Prototyping Add-on For Feathers : Adafruit Industries, Unique & fun DIY electronics and kits

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  • kmikemoo
    kmikemoo 19 days ago

    I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by "un-soldered headers".  Put the boards on the breadboard and see if it gives you any problems.  The breadboard won't be its final home and you might be able to figure out if you have other challenges.  Too often, we lose our way trying to be perfect right out of the gate.  Also, headers are cheap.  If you have to desolder a header one pin at a time... do it.  That's a lot easier than trying to save the whole strip.  Dissect it and install the header that you need.

    The Fritzing model of the Featherwings has ground and 3.3V common across the bays.  The other pins are independent.
    https://learn.adafruit.com/featherwing-proto-and-doubler/downloads

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  • saramic
    saramic 17 days ago in reply to arvindsa

    yeah fair enough - so I suppose I am stepping up to the "challenge" by trying to write some Rust libraries from scratch to make this board run from scratch. After my first attempt Sentinel Box – part I – the plan , I thought I should give up. I did perceiver and managed to get my startup instructions to work as well as an initial library for the BMI160 accelerometer - not that I need it. Next will be getting a finger print reader working ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ who knows maybe I will get to some kind of closure with all this.

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  • arvindsa
    arvindsa 17 days ago in reply to saramic

    Oh yes, making our own drivers. Its a challenge indeed. 

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