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  • Date Created: 9 Dec 2020 7:50 PM Date Created
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Are you still using 7400-Series Logic, if so, where?

baldengineer
baldengineer
9 Dec 2020

Over the past several months, I have been learning about and repairing 8-bit computer and video game systems. So far, I have worked on the VIC-20, C64, ZX-81, Apple II, and have been learning about the TI 99/A.

 

It always amazes how much of these early computer systems were built almost entirely with standard 7400-series (LS and HC) chips.

 

Occasionally, I need to replace a 7400-series chip. (I always hope it is one of those and not one of the ASICs!) While looking for modern replacements, I have noticed the trend that they are becoming more scarce. The LS-series is almost entirely gone--and with good reason. While HC and HCT continue to be somewhat available, they are usually only available in surface-mount packages.

 

That leads me to the question: Who is still using the venerable 7400-series logic chips today?

 

To me, there are three groups that might be using them:

  1. Learning. Students and hobbyist learning about digital logic
  2. New Design. Hardware that needs glue-logic. Are these using multi-gate chips or the single-gate variants?
  3. Repair. Older electronics in need of replacements. Here is where I mostly sit.

 

Do you fit into one of those categories? If not, where do you land?

 

And THEN, which chips are the must-have on-hand?

Obviously, the answer depends on how you might be using them. But, I'm curious to know how you use 7400-series chips and which ones would you keep in stock?

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 5 years ago +13
    The high spot of my 74xxx design works was about 1987 when I designed this beastie. Subsequent designs used FPGAs or micro-controllers. I was lucky enough to find one on Ebay recently, not quite working…
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 5 years ago +8
    Here an electronics chain called Maplin was selling 74-series TTL right until 2018, when it closed for good! I guess people were still buying them, perhaps to repair old equipment. I think this is the…
  • ralphjy
    ralphjy over 5 years ago +7
    I just used a couple of 4000 series logic chips in the Pong game that I rebuilt. And I have an assortment of 74 and 74LS (even some 54 mil grade parts) from the late 70s and early 80s when I did a lot…
  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 5 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    michaelkellett  wrote:

     

    I use the occasional modern 74 series type chip ...., occasionally multi channel level shifters.....

    I also use one as a level shifter:

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  • genebren
    genebren over 5 years ago in reply to koudelad

    Back in 2011, I wrote a blog about a logic replacement exercise that I had recently completed on a work related project (https://www.embeddedrelated.com/showarticle/94.php ).  Since then I have used some of these same techniques to encapsulate logic functions into other small microprocessors.  The CPLD/FPGA replacement is another approach that I have used (especially for high speed signalling).

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  • koudelad
    koudelad over 5 years ago in reply to ajcc

    I had to google for about an hour to find the right keywords, but... here it is!

     

    It is called Enhance simple analog and digital functions for $0.25

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  • dougw
    dougw over 5 years ago in reply to koudelad

    When you can get an MCU for $1 or a PSoC4 on a card with all programming infrastructure and free development tools all for $4, there really is a case to be made to dump discrete logic. Although I have to say I like designing with logic gates and chips and optimizing digital designs. One could argue that FPGAs are the way to go, but I still haven't found FPGA tools I like.

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  • ajcc
    ajcc over 5 years ago in reply to koudelad

    Things are getting more integrated indeed. On the BBB they are used for inverting and buffering reset signals, disconnecting TX and RX when the unit is powered off, dividing and buffering a clock signal and voltage translating a 3v3 power good signal down to 1v8. So they are all used for solving some issue.

     

    I love the MSP430 and I have a couple of LaunchPads, so if anyone knows where to find that app note / brochure I'd love to have it. I should really do more projects with the MSP430 anyway.

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