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For the Proving Science Project14 activity I thought I would have a go at measuring temperature using a technique I remember being discussed when I was at school, originated by a fellow pupil rather than the teacher, but not actually seen in action. It was in a physics class looking at the expansion of materials with temperature and it was a mind-changing moment for me as I realised that science and engineering stuff was so exciting and anyone could think about stuff and not just teachers and old people. I like thinking about stuff and often do it in the garden sitting in the sun with my eyes closed.

 

The method works by using the expansion coefficient of a metal. A metal with a good expansion coefficient is brass (11 x  10 −6   F −1   ) and I just happen to have some brass rod (for the Art Project14 competition). Aluminium is better at 13 x 10 −6 F −1   but I do not have Aluminium rod so brass it is. I will be using Fahrenheit rather than Celsius as I have a digital temperature meter and this provides slightly better resolution. I am using a 30 cm rod of 2.0 mm rod as the expansion length which rests on a 1.0 mm brass rod. As the long rod expands and contracts due to temperature the smaller brass rod will act as a roller and rotate forwards and backwards as well. By placing a pointer on the 1.0 mm roller rod I will obtain an indication of temperature.

 

As all (?) materials expand with temperature this means the base will as well so I need a base with the lowest expansion coefficient I can find. Diamond seems to be the lowest but as I do not have a sheet of diamond to hand I have decided to use reconstituted stone from an old fire place. It should be somewhere between brick (about 3) and marble (about 6). Plus, it is very straight and very smooth and shiny so the roller should move freely. I gave the surface a good clean (wiped with a damp cloth - that's clean enough!) and clamped a piece of wood at one end as a stop for the brass rod - using a blob of Blue-Tac to just hold it in place. In order to get some friction on the roller I used a flat steel ruler as a weight place near the roller. This will affect the rolling but it will be of minimal impact - hopefully.

 

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For a brass rod of length L = 300mm having an expansion coefficient of e = 11 x  10 −6   F −1   then a 1 degree Fahrenheit increase ( δ T = 1) in temperature will lead to an increase in the rod length of:

 

  δ L =  L x e  x  δ T

          = 300 x 11 x  10  −6  x 1  mm

          = 3.3 x 10 −3   mm

 

The smaller brass rod used as a roller has a diameter of d =1.0 mm giving it a circumference of:

 

C = d π .

    =   π    mm π

 

The angle turned through due to the expansion is:

 

θ   =  δLdπ x 360  degrees

 

So a 1 degree increase in temperature in Fahrenheit will lead to a change in angle of :

 

θ  = ( 3.3 x 10 −3  x 360) /  π    degrees

     = 0.38 degrees

 

The clock face has 12 hour divisions with 5 minute divisions in each hour totalling 60 divisions for the full clock face. Therefore 1 division represents an angle of 360/60 = 6 degrees. So a 20 increase in temperature will lead to (20 x 0.38 ) 7.6 degree change in angle which is just over one increment on the dial. I would have to say that this is not going to be that useful. Still, the technique does work but might need some refinement.

 

A longer brass rod would help, as would a thinner roller, maybe a needle or a pin. It is a fairly hot day today so if tonight is cooler, maybe a change of 20 F then it may be possible to see the rotation on the dial. If it happens I will amend this blog to include it. Otherwise I will have to wait for a much colder day, which could be several days!

 

Dubbie

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  • dougw
    dougw over 5 years ago +7
    Great demo of thermal expansion. You mentioned the expansion of the table. Would it be more accurate to subtract the table coefficient from the brass coefficient - and using the differential coefficient…
  • DAB
    DAB over 5 years ago +7
    Very good experiment. I ran into a real world issue about thermal expansion back in my younger days working in a laser lab. We had connected a camera and lens assembly with aluminum bars and discovered…
  • genebren
    genebren over 5 years ago +6
    Very cool (or in this case hot)! Very interesting experiment. Funny how some ideas stick in your mind for years and years, only to pop up and be the inspiration for an experiment. Well done!
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  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 5 years ago

    You could perhaps use a rack and pinion arrangement at the end of the rod to translate linear to rotary motion with less potential for slip (but more potential for backlash / zero travel)

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    dubbie over 5 years ago in reply to beacon_dave

    Dave,

     

    That was the method used in my original physics class all those years ago in school but it relied on the pivot of the pointer being as close to the expanding end of the brass rod pushing against it as possible, in order to magnify the movement. I wasn't sure I could make something that precise and small.

     

    Dubbie

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    beacon_dave over 5 years ago in reply to dubbie

    If you want to magnify the movement you can perhaps use a pivoting mirror arrangement to deflect a light source onto a target. The further the target is away the higher the magnification.

     

    I seem to recall that they used this technique with the early transatlantic cables to amplify the weak signals for telegraphy purposes.

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    beacon_dave over 5 years ago in reply to dubbie

    If you want to magnify the movement you can perhaps use a pivoting mirror arrangement to deflect a light source onto a target. The further the target is away the higher the magnification.

     

    I seem to recall that they used this technique with the early transatlantic cables to amplify the weak signals for telegraphy purposes.

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    shabaz over 5 years ago in reply to beacon_dave

    Hehe I was going to also suggest exactly that : )

    I saw in some video recently, that's what early semiconductor manufacturers in Japan did too, they didn't have access to high-granularity measurement equipment, so they'd direct light from a window to reflect off a mirror attached to a dial, onto a wall : )

    Awesome project idea dubbie : )

    Another idea (could be a project in itself!) could be to get the rod to flex a piece of glass (like a microscope slide glued at one end. This could be measurable with a laser pointer (interferometer arrangement, worth googling because people have found ways to do it with household items). Such a technique is popular for detecting slight changes.. I recall seeing it at a factory, where they used it for examining metal surfaces for flatness.

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    dubbie over 5 years ago in reply to beacon_dave

    Dave,

    A mirror might be a good idea as this will allow the pointer to be longer which will amplify the small movements more. I'll have to think about how  might attached a small mirror to the rod end.

     

    Dubbie

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    beacon_dave over 5 years ago in reply to beacon_dave

    "...I seem to recall that they used this technique with the early transatlantic cables to amplify the weak signals for telegraphy purposes."

     

    "...Thomson's mirror galvanometer (land type) used at Valentia Island end of the original Atlantic cable..."

    https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/objects/co32961/thomsons-mirror-galvanometer-1858-galvanometer

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