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  • Author Author: a_davis_22
  • Date Created: 28 Mar 2018 6:00 PM Date Created
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Automatic Dough Shaper - Blog #10 More Magic Smoke

a_davis_22
a_davis_22
28 Mar 2018

Well, as they say, "experience is the best teacher."

 

I decided to work on getting the oven control working since that seemed like it should be pretty straightforward. I had already gotten my mains power switching circuit to work by turning on a lamp. So all I needed to do was write a python program to turn on the toaster oven for about 6 minutes (until it was at 350 F) and then repeatedly stay on for 12 seconds and turn off for 10 seconds. I hooked up the wires, wrote the code, and voila!  Nothing happened. So I trouble-shooted everything! I checked my wiring, I fixed my code, I tried turning on a lamp instead of the toaster oven, I changed wiring, I checked voltages, etc. After several hours I came to the conclusion that my MOC3010 must have burnt up. I couldn't see any possible way, but there was power on the raspberry pi side and no power on the mains power side. At that moment I realized that one of my plugs actually has 3A fuses! I opened it up and sure enough the fuse was blown. After replacing the fuse I turned it on and everything worked! For about 1 second. The fuse was blown again. I figured my toaster oven was just trying to pull more current, so I switched the plug to one without fuses. This time it actually worked! with smoke... I had burned up my BT136 triac. Finally I checked the ratings on the BT136 and my toaster oven. Theoretically I knew that the triac would have to withstand more current than the toaster oven could pull, but in physically creating the circuit I had forgotten. My toaster oven was rated at 12A and the BT136 can only handle 4A. So now I understand that I have to build my circuit with appropriately rated components.

 

After spending an entire day getting nowhere, and being so close to the deadline for this competition, I decided I'll have to drop the toaster oven control functionality. The toaster oven can do it's own temperature control well enough, I just wanted my machine to turn it on and off when it was needed.

 

It will be a miracle if I can get this project finished by Friday.

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  • genebren
    genebren over 7 years ago +1
    Project are full of challenges (and potential to create smoke) and your project seems no different. You comprise to skip the temperature control seems like a very good one given the amount of time left…
  • DAB
    DAB over 7 years ago +1
    First issue is power analysis. Most toasters run between 1200 and 1500 watts. At 110V, that means it pulls between 10 and 15 amps. Pop, there goes your fuses. Anytime you interface devices, you really…
  • e14phil
    e14phil over 7 years ago +1
    Ah man! That sucks, you should keep going even though the deadline has passed, this is such a cool and fun project... I REALLY want to see some cookies come out of it.
  • e14phil
    e14phil over 7 years ago

    Ah man!

     

    That sucks, you should keep going even though the deadline has passed, this is such a cool and fun project... I REALLY want to see some cookies come out of it.

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    a_davis_22 over 7 years ago in reply to aspork42

    Yes that was my original plan. I thought a triac could give better phase control and be less noisy.

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    aspork42 over 7 years ago

    Oh no - I had a similar failure this past week and my heart just sank. What was the original reason for a triac versus a relay? You originally had plans to do zero crossing detection and limit the current that way wasnt it?

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    DAB over 7 years ago

    First issue is power analysis.

    Most toasters run between 1200 and 1500 watts.

    At 110V, that means it pulls between 10 and 15 amps.  Pop, there goes your fuses.

     

    Anytime you interface devices, you really do need to understand what they use in power, and what they take for control.

     

    In your case, you underestimated the current draw.

    Now you need to go back over your design and beef up the components to support the heavy current draw and you should be ok.

     

    DAB

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    genebren over 7 years ago

    Project are full of challenges (and potential to create smoke) and your project seems no different.  You comprise to skip the temperature control seems like a very good one given the amount of time left.  It was a great effort to try to control the toaster, and it did give you opportunities to learn, so don't consider it a waste.

     

    Good luck!

    Gene

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