element14 Community
element14 Community
    Register Log In
  • Site
  • Search
  • Log In Register
  • Community Hub
    Community Hub
    • What's New on element14
    • Feedback and Support
    • Benefits of Membership
    • Personal Blogs
    • Members Area
    • Achievement Levels
  • Learn
    Learn
    • Ask an Expert
    • eBooks
    • element14 presents
    • Learning Center
    • Tech Spotlight
    • STEM Academy
    • Webinars, Training and Events
    • Learning Groups
  • Technologies
    Technologies
    • 3D Printing
    • FPGA
    • Industrial Automation
    • Internet of Things
    • Power & Energy
    • Sensors
    • Technology Groups
  • Challenges & Projects
    Challenges & Projects
    • Design Challenges
    • element14 presents Projects
    • Project14
    • Arduino Projects
    • Raspberry Pi Projects
    • Project Groups
  • Products
    Products
    • Arduino
    • Avnet & Tria Boards Community
    • Dev Tools
    • Manufacturers
    • Multicomp Pro
    • Product Groups
    • Raspberry Pi
    • RoadTests & Reviews
  • About Us
  • Store
    Store
    • Visit Your Store
    • Choose another store...
      • Europe
      •  Austria (German)
      •  Belgium (Dutch, French)
      •  Bulgaria (Bulgarian)
      •  Czech Republic (Czech)
      •  Denmark (Danish)
      •  Estonia (Estonian)
      •  Finland (Finnish)
      •  France (French)
      •  Germany (German)
      •  Hungary (Hungarian)
      •  Ireland
      •  Israel
      •  Italy (Italian)
      •  Latvia (Latvian)
      •  
      •  Lithuania (Lithuanian)
      •  Netherlands (Dutch)
      •  Norway (Norwegian)
      •  Poland (Polish)
      •  Portugal (Portuguese)
      •  Romania (Romanian)
      •  Russia (Russian)
      •  Slovakia (Slovak)
      •  Slovenia (Slovenian)
      •  Spain (Spanish)
      •  Sweden (Swedish)
      •  Switzerland(German, French)
      •  Turkey (Turkish)
      •  United Kingdom
      • Asia Pacific
      •  Australia
      •  China
      •  Hong Kong
      •  India
      •  Korea (Korean)
      •  Malaysia
      •  New Zealand
      •  Philippines
      •  Singapore
      •  Taiwan
      •  Thailand (Thai)
      • Americas
      •  Brazil (Portuguese)
      •  Canada
      •  Mexico (Spanish)
      •  United States
      Can't find the country/region you're looking for? Visit our export site or find a local distributor.
  • Translate
  • Profile
  • Settings
Publications
  • Learn
  • More
Publications
Blog Debugging Healthcare
  • Blog
  • Documents
  • Events
  • Files
  • Members
  • Mentions
  • Sub-Groups
  • Tags
  • More
  • Cancel
  • New
Join Publications to participate - click to join for free!
  • Share
  • More
  • Cancel
Group Actions
  • Group RSS
  • More
  • Cancel
Engagement
  • Author Author: gervasi
  • Date Created: 10 Aug 2011 10:02 PM Date Created
  • Views 634 views
  • Likes 1 like
  • Comments 3 comments
  • healthcare
  • cgervasi:dit
Related
Recommended

Debugging Healthcare

gervasi
gervasi
10 Aug 2011

The nagging pain in my abdomen had reached the point where I finally reached for my phone.  It was time to see a doctor and put an end to whatever was causing so much pain and discomfort.  What followed was a diagnosis, a cure, and some thoughts on the need for engineering troubleshooting in the area of healthcare purchases.

 

As I scheduled an appointment I inquired about the cost of an office visit.  I was met with uncertainty.  The billing department guessed it would be $220 to see the doctor, not counting any lab work.  The clinic where my doctor worked until this year charged $120 for an office visit.  The pain allowed me to overlook this issue; I kept the appointment.

 

It was a typical Wednesday morning at the clinic.  They checked vital signs, similar to troubleshooting a board: first make sure the supplies are up and the clocks are oscillating.

image

 

Probing my abdomen the doctor said “it’s either the kidney or the colon, I’ll need a CT scan to know for sure”.  This brought to mind how a CT scan uses a Discrete Fourier Transform (DFT) of projections through the body at various angles to arrive at a 3-D model.  I've never seen a CT machine in action.  I started wondering, though, if I really needed to have a CT scan to diagnose this problem.  What would doctors have done before CT?

 

“We've narrowed it down to two organs.  Is there any other way to rule out one or the other?” I asked the doctor.  He said, “There a lab test that would rule out kidney problems.  It takes about an hour for the results.  If that's negative, it's probably diverticulitis.  There is a course of antibiotics that diverticulitis responds to quickly.”  So the lab tests came back negative for kidney problems, I took the antibiotics as a "test" for diverticulitis.

 

Once I started the antibiotics the pain dropped exponentially with a time constant of about 10 hours, such that the pain was at about a third after 10 hours and undetectable after 50 hours.   For $100 office visit (the billing department's original guess turned out to be way high), $100 in lab tests, and $25 in prescription drugs, I had a diagnosis and a cure.  Before going down this path, I had told my doctor I could easily afford the CT test and I wanted it if it was medically necessary.  He approved of the antibiotic test approach, which implied to me that the CT scan was not completely necessary. I do not suspect any conflict of interest on the part of my doctor or the clinic.  I suspect doctors and patients typically select a CT scan because it's straightforward and many of the patients are either wealthy or have very-low-deductible insurance policies that pay for most of the cost of the test.

 

By coincidence four days after my office visit, a local newspaper ran a story on charity care at Madison hospitals that related the case of a woman diagnosed with diverticulitis.  She received a CT scan and a bill of $4,500, a bill she could not pay at the time.  The hospital forgave the bill, but she would like to pay it anyway when she is able.  I do not know the details of her case, but I wonder if she could have avoided the large bill using the lab test and antibiotic approach.

 

There will be extensive debate at the national level over the next few years as healthcare overhaul measures are phased in.  Engineers, regardless of their view the role of government in healthcare, should weigh in on this important issue.  An engineering approach would be helpful in heathcare issues, at the point of service and to the broader policy debate.

  • Sign in to reply
  • gervasi
    gervasi over 14 years ago in reply to Catwell

    They do it because they can undlies most economic transactions.  It's the reason why I charge a certain amount for a board design and the OEM into whose product it goes charges their price: It's because we can.  We're not doing it for charity.  We're trying to be the best choice for particular market segment and make a profit in doing so.

     

    I am amazed how some providers of healthcare services have forgotten that.  I avoid those providers.  My point is that that industry is poised to be disrupted, by gov't involvement in healthcare purchases and/or by some disruptive provider coming in and providing the services more conveniently, cheaply, efficiently, etc.  At first the disrupted industry likes this because the new providers takes away the poor customers who couldn't pay and the annoying customers like me who are sensitive to price and convenience.  The disruptor is successful and starts encroaching more-and-more on traditional clinics where most customers work through insurance companies.  The disrupted health companies try compete with the disrupting technology, but they're heart isn't in it because the "disrupting" arm is cannibalizing their existing sales. That's Clay Christensen's narrative, and it really rings true for me for healthcare.

    • Cancel
    • Vote Up 0 Vote Down
    • Sign in to reply
    • More
    • Cancel
  • Catwell
    Catwell over 14 years ago in reply to DAB

    With all the various costs to run medical facilities and equipement, costs are high. But much like university tuition increasing, they do it because they can.

     

    Am I mistaken?

     

    C

    • Cancel
    • Vote Up 0 Vote Down
    • Sign in to reply
    • More
    • Cancel
  • DAB
    DAB over 14 years ago

    I think you put it in a nut shell.  Some healthcare facilities are more interested in taking your money than just helping you.

    However, on the flip side, with all of the law suites going on, they need to do all of the tests so they don't get sued for misdiagnosing the problem.  So in a way, they are also in a no win situation.

     

    So we need a much more global solution than just fixing symptoms.

     

    PS I've had divrituculitis and it is not a fun time.

     

    DAB

    • Cancel
    • Vote Up 0 Vote Down
    • Sign in to reply
    • More
    • Cancel
element14 Community

element14 is the first online community specifically for engineers. Connect with your peers and get expert answers to your questions.

  • Members
  • Learn
  • Technologies
  • Challenges & Projects
  • Products
  • Store
  • About Us
  • Feedback & Support
  • FAQs
  • Terms of Use
  • Privacy Policy
  • Legal and Copyright Notices
  • Sitemap
  • Cookies

An Avnet Company © 2025 Premier Farnell Limited. All Rights Reserved.

Premier Farnell Ltd, registered in England and Wales (no 00876412), registered office: Farnell House, Forge Lane, Leeds LS12 2NE.

ICP 备案号 10220084.

Follow element14

  • X
  • Facebook
  • linkedin
  • YouTube