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  • Author Author: DaveYoung
  • Date Created: 13 Jun 2011 9:37 PM Date Created
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Does That Generator Really Work (and how do you know?)!?!?!?!

DaveYoung
DaveYoung
13 Jun 2011

With my experience working for small scale alternative energy companies like Tremont Electric (Kinetic Energy Harvesting) and Voltaic Systems (Solar Generation), I always get two questions when walking around with prototypes:


  1. Do those things actually work?

  2. How do you know how well they work?


The first question is easy.  Yes, they work.  However since they are small scale energy producers, a customer needs to have the right expectations.  If you buy a product with a solar panel the size of your palm to exclusively power your heavily-used 4G smartphone, you will find yourself with a large bill and an even larger sad face.  However if you need a small power source on a camping trip where plugging in isn't an option, then you've got a product worth checking out.


The second question is more interesting.  A product might specify the power output of the energy source, such as “Our 5x10 panel is capable of generating 5W.”  However this not what you will see going to your target device.  In most small-scale energy producing devices like these, there isn't enough power to reliably charge a device directly from the energy source.  Instead, the energy goes into a battery that charges over time and can deliver a stable supply to the phone.  For a generic case, see the block diagram below:



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As with any power transfer system, each step costs efficiency.  Next we’ll examine efficiency losses step by step.:


Energy source:

We will assume for the purposes of this article  that this is perfectly efficient.  I don't think it's fair to ding the manufacturer because solar panels struggle to produce 19% efficiency.


Input Power Conditioning:

This is the step that takes the power from the energy source and converts it into something acceptable to charge the battery that is used.  There is a lot of variation here depending on the type of energy generation, the size of the source, output impedance, etc...  But I'll throw out an efficiency of 85% to have a number to work with.


Battery:

This is the battery that is designed in the device and slowly charges whenever energy is present.  On top of internal resistance losses, batteries also have coulombic efficiency losses.  It is reasonable to expect an overall efficiency of 80% for this stage.


Output Power Conditioning:

Some switchers are specifically designed to take Li-Ion voltages and create a 5V USB standard output.  I'm sure you can find about 10 datasheets of parts from TI, Linear Tech, etc... that will quote exact efficiencies, but it is safe to assign a 75% efficiency over the entire voltage rage of a Li-Ion battery (2.9-4.2V).


Sum it all up, you're looking at a total efficiency of about 50%.  Ouch.  So your 5W panel can be reasonably expected to give you 2.5W to your target device.  But all of those numbers are just thrown together for the general case.  How can you, the user, KNOW what you're getting in terms of efficiencies?  Measure it in your application!


The best way to to measure any efficiency is to look at power in vs. power out.  In this case, current and voltage can be measured from the energy source to the electronics when charging.  Then the output current and voltage can be measured to your cell phone.  Once you've got the test setup prepared, you just need to log the data and save it for later review.  If only someone would make an easy, well-explained video on how to log a couple of channels with a lot memory.  Thanks Jeremy!


Anyone want to try it on a device of theirs?  I would love to see some results from real use cases in the comments!  User data is always the best!

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    DAB over 14 years ago

    Hi Dave,

     

    The only  technology I know of for storage would be the fuel cell.  Currently, the material costs are too high, but if there was a solid commitment for mass production, they could easily soakup the wind and solar energy excess during the day and convert it back to electricity at night.  The approach is still questionable as no one has put them to serious long term use, but the processes involved are well understood and most of the minor problems will be solved with better technology once they become a serious component of energy storage.

     

    Another potential technology would be salt water batteries.  Tesla demonstrated the potential of using large vats of salt water to hold charge for long periods of time.  Again, this is pretty basic technology, it just needs to be scale up.

     

    If we could start building new structures set up to store and run at lower voltages, ie, 12V, we could make most communities self sufficient through wind and solar.  My parents had an RV and we lived quite comfortably on the 12V system for lights and water.  If we had solar panels in those days, we could have camped for longer periods of time without recharging the system. 

     

    Given the LED efficiencies, I think we could really scale down many appliances, including lighting and greatly reduce power requirements.  I am amazed when I go out at night and can't see the stars because of all the city lights on at night.  Are we so scared of the dark that we could not put those things on motion detection and higher efficiency LEDs.  We could immediately reduce power consumption by 30%.  Run those numbers on a Gigawatt scale and you can save a lot of money.

     

    Thanks,

    DAB

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    DaveYoung over 14 years ago in reply to gervasi

    Charles-

    If only we could spin up the sun and wind generation the way we can with coal plants.  As you pointed out, energy storage puts a big hurt on the efficiency numbers.  I've heard of using fosil fuels to do load management with alternative giving everything they can, however it is hard to imagine that occuring when it's so darn cheap to just burn stuff.

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    DaveYoung over 14 years ago in reply to DAB

    DAB-

    I agree that the common assumption of a gold standard of efficiency being 100% isn't fair when no technology can produce that -- our target efficiency should be based on the current tech, not the perfect solution.  And I would love to see a growth in efficiency -- have you seen any examples of 3D designs that would be suitible for manufacturing in the next 5 years?  I'd be interested in a paper/article you could suggest.

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    DAB over 14 years ago

    Keep in mind that your average coal powered electricity is running about 20% efficient and kills about 20,000 people a year for each operating plant.  That makes 50% look down right useful in comparison.  Plus, you need to take a stronger look at the way the solar panels are designed.  The flat panels allow alot of the energy to be wasted, they need to look at 3D implementation where the energy can be bounced around to different elements that use different wavelengths for energy absorption.  We should be able to get much more out of the sun than a measly 19%.

     

    Thanks

    DAB

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    gervasi over 14 years ago

    That block diagram seems simple now that I've seen it, but it shows the not-obvious fact that a good deal of inefficiency associate with alternative energy is in power conversion.  A big difference between "alternative" energy and traditional sources, I'm thinking after seeing this article, is that alternative ones can't be used on demand and must be stored in a battery.

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