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Engineering's Progress Feedback Loop?

DaveYoung
DaveYoung
7 Oct 2011

In a discussion with a non-technical and environmentally-minded friend about the engineering education program I run for high schoolers (BlueStamp Engineering) he asked,


“Do you really think that training more engineers is the solution to our problems?  It seems that many of our problems today are a result of 'solutions' engineers found over the last 100 years.  Pollution, global warming, long-distance wars, oil spills, etc...  What is to say that the 'progress' your well-trained engineers achieve will only cause the next set of big problems?”


imageHe didn't mean this as a slight at the engineering profession.  It was a well-thought out question, and I have to agree that without engineering none of the problems he listed would be an issue.  After all, if these problems are allowed to grow at their current pace, there exists a point in the future where the planet is so stricken by war waged with WMDs and/or life-hindering pollution that humanity would be better off if scientific progress never occurred.


I'm sure that this debate has raged on for many professions.  Politics, medicine, and most recently, finance could all be analyzed against this 'absolute measure' where all costs and benefits of the industry in question are laid out on the table in an attempt to prove a net gain/loss in total value.  It probably stems from the great debate of our childhood: “My Dad is smarter than your Dad!”


However I think that the debate over the engineering field has an interesting twist – we are seeing the development of a feedback loop that corrects the issues that the last generation of engineers created when solving problems of their day.  When I talk to the young engineers of the future, not one student is interested in simply generating more power and more widgets.  They inevitably name clean energy generation, pollution reduction, sustainability, and peacekeeping technologies as motivation for their technical interest.  It is truly encouraging.


In the case of correcting the environmental mistakes, one has to remember that during the industrial revolution engineers had different design constraints.  Building a system around an abundant fuel resource to power factories, jobs, and economic progress was a great idea!  However today's engineers of all disciplines are working harder than ever to reap the power benefits without the nasty side effects of burning more fuel than can be handled by the environment.   And it goes beyond just the engineers working in their cubicles.  Society has succeeded in making environmentally-sound decisions sexy, changing market forces from the consumer's side.  'Cool' is no longer just about what your stuff can do, but also how sustainable it is.  Want to be popular?  Buy a Chevy Volt or Nissan Leaf.  A 'Vette will smoke these cars in a race not only because of staggering horsepower differences – the EV will probably be full of nubile young vixens distracting the driver!


His point about war, however, may be spot on.  Training more American engineers to make bombs will entice other countries to train their engineers to make bombs, and bomb-making (and bomb-using) has the general goal of destruction.  A means of closing the feedback loop in a system designed to destroy could be difficult.  But even in this case, the current trend is no longer to simply destroy more by making larger nuclear bombs than those used in WWII.  Instead, engineers focus on making bombs that are finely tuned to maximize military damage at minimal civilian damage.  Certainly not as good as world peace, but again engineers are encouraged to correct the mistakes of previous generations.


So I'll put it to the community to see if the responses aren't too biased.  Are engineers making the right shift in our career choices as well as in our designs?  Will we make enough of a change before reaching the point of doing more harm than good?

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    DaveYoung over 14 years ago in reply to DAB

    DAB, I love the point about engineers just answering the call of the market.  We make the things the world wants.  I would suggest, however, that marketing plays a large role in what people 'want'.  And since marketing is driven by sales figures, not society's betterment, will the direction we take be a better place (no matter who is responsible for taking us there)?

     

    However I would not say we are just 'along for the ride.'  I believe that those who innovate wield a unique power to not work on things they don't believe in.  Without innovators businesses would be left only with vapid buzzwords.  I think we certainly play a key part in the machine, and deserve a share of credit for where things end up -- be it positive or negative.

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    DAB over 14 years ago

    This complaint is a very old one.  Ask your friend to read "The Mote In Gods Eye" by Jerry Pournell, he does a good job of discussing the consequences of technology verses the consequences of a species failing to make the "right" decisions in everyday life.

    During the 1960's a friend of mine was asked by a friend of his about how he could work on government programs that resulted in people being killed.  My friend replyed that since his friend worked on the Ford Pinto, that more people would die in car accidents than would be killed by anything developed by the government for use in combat.  Car accidents in the US run about 50,000 per year.

     

    You can also make the argument about the work of doctors keeping people alive longer verses the planets ability to sustain the numbers of people.

     

    Engineers build things that companies and governments require.  If people allow their governments to make all of the decisions then you cannot blame the engineers.  Most of the people I worked with would have rather done different work for such things as better cars, airplanes, smarter houses, greener energy, etc, but there just was no demand for engineers in that area.  Even today, governments talk a good game, but look at what they put on contract.

     

    The fault does not lay at the door of engineering and science.  Your friend needs to assess the goals of the politicians and lawyers.  They are the ones driving the bus.  The rest of us are just along for the ride.

     

    Just my opinion.

    DAB

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    gervasi over 14 years ago

    I love the horse and buggy picture without any direct comment in the text.  It's message is clear.  If we go back to a pre-industrial existence, many of our problems will disappear.  But we have to ask if we want that.  Maybe Wendell Berry does, and I am a strong supporter of helping those people form intentional communities far from industry and cut off from global trade.  It has a nostalgic appeal, but I think if you asked pre-industrial people if they want a modern conviniences, they certainly would.  I actually think technology played a role in ending slavery and promoting sex equality.  When someone else is doing hard mind-numbing work for you that you really need done, it's easy to fool yourself into thinking it's the very nature of the universe that they should do it for you so you can pursue more interesting pursuits.

     

    Technology has led to easy communication and travel, and that is slowly undoing the very concept of the nation state.  In a hundred years, that nation state will matter as much as provinces and states within countries today, if my crystal ball is correct.  Technology is changing the world for the better.

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