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Could this be a low cost, viable STOP GAP to help with the shortage of ventilators?

pthat
pthat over 6 years ago

Could this be a low cost, viable STOP GAP to help with the shortage of ventilators?

Please check out our concept video on this post.

Automating a readily available Bag Valve Mask (BVM), also known as a hand operated manual resuscitator.
This would free up the personal that would normally be need to operate a BVM.

The device could act as a stop gap in hospitals or at home where a ventilator is needed, but not currently available.
This is not a design to replace a ventilator that has a lot more features, but maybe a low-cost solution to help out.

At the moment we are looking to rapid prototype this machine in house at CNC Design and looking to work with medical professionals first to make sure that the design and use is a viable solution.

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  • kas.lewis
    kas.lewis over 6 years ago

    Here is an on going and long discussion regarding how the DIY community can help.

     

    https://engineering.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=263efee65a04cf9ee8555288d&id=47a1f52c6d&e=b4256f5f31

     

    Hope its useful,

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  • pthat
    pthat over 6 years ago

    We have now setup a dedicated domain for the Automated BVM at http://automatedbvm.net

    There are few more details on the machine and the CAD renders of what the actual prototype will look like.

    Not as pretty as the original concept, but workable.

    Also the inside of the machine is shown with working mechanics and minimal components as planned.

    We had the Acetal arrive today, so will be milling the plates out tomorrow image




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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 6 years ago in reply to beacon_dave

    UK Gov has published the official emergency ventilator spec:

     

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/876167/RMVS001_v3.1.pdf

     

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  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 6 years ago in reply to beacon_dave

    And another one:

     

    https://www.facebook.com/official.arduino/videos/vb.156088694417458/528640714351023/?type=3&theater

     

    "OxyGEN is an open hardware project to build an emergency mechanism that automates an AMBU type manual ventilator in extreme shortage situations such as the one caused by coronavirus (COVID-19) in some parts of the world."

     

    https://oxygen.protofy.xyz/

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  • BigG
    BigG over 6 years ago

    I see more stuff is popping up on Twitter, which may interest some.

     

    Someone posted this old (2010) research paper: https://web.mit.edu/2.75/projects/DMD_2010_Al_Husseini.pdf

     

    Here's a great YouTube video that deep dives into reuse of CPAP machines for a DIY ventilator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n57u1NvXBgw

     

    And here is a "living" specification document (i.e. it changes frequently) for BVM: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FNPwrQjB1qW1330s5-S_-VB0vDHajMWKieJRjINCNeE/edit

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  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 6 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    "People have mentioned laws and patents - regulations can be changed over night - patents can be suspended for military purposes to why not in medical emergency."

     

    Here's a maker community respirator project being put forward for health testing next Monday.

     

    Arduino Respirator Prototype

    "Here's a pretty remarkable prototype of an Arduino-controlled respirator made by the Spanish maker community, which will be tested by the Ministry of Health next Monday. "

     

    https://www.facebook.com/official.arduino/videos/vb.156088694417458/2557115014604392/?type=3&theater

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 6 years ago in reply to beacon_dave

    Have you seen this one ?

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FJKtqy-qmM

     

    Looks much cheaper and simpler than classic ventilator - a sort of "plastic lung" - advantages are it doesn't need humidifier , precise pressure control etc etc. Scope for damage is probably much less. No need for sterile supplies .

     

    I reckon you could build emergency version using bottom of a wheelie bin, (or similar) , suction would be harder - vacuum cleaner would work but very noisy and no good at 24/7 running. If it comes to the crunch human powered bellows pump would do.

     

    People have mentioned laws and patents - regulations can be changed over night - patents can be suspended for military purposes to why not in medical emergency.

     

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  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 6 years ago in reply to pthat

    It may only have been medically approved for resuscitation or for temporary ventilation use and not for life support ventilation use though ? So there may still be some issues there, but presumably less than when starting out from scratch.

     

    Ironically though, in basic work first aid, you are taught to do mouth-to-mouth where there are no 'safety features'.

     

    I saw an article recently about ventilator valves being copied and 3D printed to assist with shortages in Italy, saving lives, however it looks like the lawyers are now involved:

    https://www.medicaldevice-network.com/news/3d-printed-valves-covid-19-italy/

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  • BigG
    BigG over 6 years ago

    I would be curious to learn whether positive air pressure is the only method that works or could negative pressure machines, such as this one work too in the covid-19 case: Biphasic Cuirass Ventilation (BCV) | BiPAPRegistered and Tracheostomy Alternative

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  • neuromodulator
    neuromodulator over 6 years ago

    How many presses can that bag sustain before it breaks? I would look into how mechanical ventilators operate to get ideas on how to build a system from scratch. Also it's important to be aware that this industry is highly regulated because if the machine fails people die. Of course a flawed machine might be better than no machine at all, but still laws could make the implementation of non-regulated, non-proved, low-budget mechanical ventilators difficult.

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