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Old analogue monitor help?

frozr
frozr over 7 years ago

Hi all,

 

I live in the UK. We have a gambling chain here called 'Coral'. One day my friend dragged me in and I got to see that there was a little CRT looking TV. I asked if it's still in use and learned that it's been there for quite a while. I ended up getting it, absolutely free of charge. It even came with a keyboard (made of original Cherry switches from the 90s!). I've learned as much as I could about it and learned that it seems to be nothing more than some sort of generic monochome monitor, with what seems some sort of old microcontroller which is actually used to display the betting tables on the monitor screen and take input from the keyboard. They aren't particularly valuable (not that I'd want to sell it), so I want to convert it into maybe something using the ESP32 or preferably ESP8266, since I've a few of those laying around. I know CNLohr on youtube did an interesting video on how capable the ESP8266 is (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSiRkpgwVKY ).  However; I need help with understanding how I can display on the monitor. I've very little understanding of analogue electronics, a vague understanding of digital electronics and mediocre programming skills. I really don't know who to turn to other than this forum.

 

Here's the board that seems to actually have control of what's on the screen.

This is seemingly the only digital board within the monitor. The 'missing chip' is actually something truly special. The creators (OTT Keyboards) used that socket, and what looks like an IDE cable to go between the board and whatever is on the outside. The IDE cable also connected to something that looks like an old serial port? Not sure.

 

Only cables between the board and the monitor.

These are the only cables between the board and the monitor. Each cable consists of 3 smaller cables, of the same colour set. In the background you can also see a piezzo speaker, and yes, that tape was used to stick it to the outside case of the monitor.

 

The two cables disappearing under the CRT itself.

 

The two cables from the PCB disappearing under the CRT itself.

 

Below are some more detailed shots of the PCB for anyone interested in helping out or interested in some almost hand made electronics.

 

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In the pictures above, you can see the very odd IDE cable solution actually being strapped down with a zip tie. Also notice how much it sticks out.

 

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Another closeup shot of the ICs.

 

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Here's what was actually accessible from the back of the monitor. This is what was connected via that IDE looking cable into the empty socket on the PCB.

 

What I know so far:

 

-The ST M27C1001-12F1 is an EEPROM IC, so from what I know that's simply where the program is stored. This could be entirely wrong, but it could make sense since when pulled out, the monitor displays squares and squiggles. It's a checkered pattern, but doesn't display anything. Datasheet: https://www.mouser.co.uk/datasheet/2/389/stmicroelectronics_cd00000511-1204383.pdf

-The Toshiba TC5517CPL-20 is from what I understand RAM.

Datasheet: TOSHIBA - datasheet pdf

-NEC D43256BCZ-70LL is in the category of 'SRAM' on usbid.com.

Datasheet: https://www.usbid.com/assets/datasheets/91/d43256bcz70ll.pdf

-With the yellow dot sticker, we have a Motorola MC6847P. Wikipedia abbreviated it to 'Motorola 6847', whilst saying it's a video display generator. I can assume what it does but I understand fairly little about it.

Datasheet: https://www.datasheets360.com/pdf/1867023960849380503

Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_6847

-2 chips labeled 74HCT365N. According to digikey.be they're buffers. I assume they're video buffers of some sort?

Datasheet: https://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/NXP%20PDFs/74HC(T)365_Rev3.pdf

-74HCT00N. I found something about it being NAND? As in NAND flash I'd assume? Not really sure.

Datasheet: https://www.mouser.co.uk/datasheet/2/916/74HC_HCT00-1318972.pdf

-R65C02P2 is apparently a microprocessor working at 2MHz which "for some reason found its way into many thousands of Gotleib pinball machines." according to silicon-ark.co.uk

Datasheet: https://www.silicon-ark.co.uk/datasheets/R65c02p2-datasheet-rockwell.pdf

-R65C21P1 I found that it is a PIA (Peripheral Interface Adapter). I assume this is for interaction with the keyboard that came with the monitor.

Datasheet: https://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/128134/ETC1/R65C21P1.html

-74HCT139N is a demultiplexer.

Datasheet: http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/302/74HC_HCT139-351015.pdf

-SN74LS74AN contains 2 independent D type positive-edge-triggered flipflops. This tells me a little as a noobie, I understand what it is but can't exactly imagine what it'd be used for.

Datasheet: http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74ls74a.pdf

-SN74LS04N is listed as an inverter. Not sure what it inverts though. Signals? 0 into 1s and vice versa?

Datasheet: http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74ls04.pdf

-CD74HCT245E is listed as Bus Transceivers. I can just about manage to understand what that does.

Datasheet: http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd74hct245.pdf

 

I think that's all of them covered. Judging by what these ICs are listed as, it lead me to understand that what that whole board is a simple computer the likes of the 80's computers (ZX Spectrum, Commodore etc.). This leads me to believe that something as the aforementioned ESP8266 could do the job of the whole PCB just fine. I would love some help with making this into a somewhat interactive little CRT with the ability to run simple visual sketches the likes of some simple Javascript animation, as without help I physically have no idea where to go.

 

Thanks,

J.

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  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 7 years ago +3
    Hi Julian, Sorry I can't help you with this as I lack experience in this area but I wanted to complement you on the nice preparation and explanation. Most questions come with not enough pictures or preliminary…
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 7 years ago in reply to kk99 +2 suggested
    It looks as if the design has extended the socket from the processor board to the back of the box so that new eprom chips (probably with updated code or data) can be plugged in - a primitive form of the…
  • colporteur
    colporteur over 7 years ago +2
    Are you familiar with the expression, the emperor is wearing no cloths! Based on your skills resume “I've very little understanding of analogue electronics, a vague understanding of digital electronics…
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  • Gough Lui
    0 Gough Lui over 7 years ago

    I think it might be a good idea to scope out the signals as generated from the present board, if only just to see a black/solid colour raster. The older monitors aren't very tolerant of timing being too far off as it can cause overstress in some of the analog drive circuitry which leads to burnt-out components. It's why (in the past especially) even Windows warned you about setting display modes not supported by the monitor being possible cause for damage. Likewise, Commodore PET machines had a "killer poke". At the least, it doesn't sync and nothing shows. At the worst, damage is possible.

     

    Once you have a working signal from the present board and know the levels then you might know better as to what sort of signals to generate (e.g. it could be something akin to VGA with R, G, B, Hsync, Vsync and respective grounds expecting a signal that's about 1V or it could be something more like the EGA/CGA era monitors which used full TTL and expected 5V - and also knowledge about scan/refresh rates/front/back porches and vertical blanking interval).

     

    If not, then hopefully you're able to better narrow down the monitor chassis itself as to the model/manufacture and obtain a spec sheet for it.

     

    It's also good to know if the monitor's actually any good as well. As with any CRT, blown flyback transformers, bad high voltage transistors, failing capacitors, knocked alignment magnets during transportation, problem with colour convergence are potential issues. Unstable high voltage which makes the image "bounce" depending on content also seems to be a common issue. CRTs are a source of high voltages - lots of dangers for the inexperienced newbie. No point building for something that's not functional or can't be replaced either.

     

    Then it comes to the hard effort of actually making something that works. While for other video standards like composite, you can generate a video signal with a single pin, doing so with a microcontroller across multiple pins and getting the timing fine-enough to get the full resolution is hard. It's probably something that an FPGA might be better with owing to the fact you will need to drive the RGB values simultaneously during the image period (assuming you want a colour display). If not, monochrome might be achievable tying the lines together ... but keeping the sync accurate on a controller that might have other tasks to attend to (e.g. other interrupt routines) might not be the easiest way to ensure a healthy signal to a monitor like this. Maybe you can settle for an occasional glitch as long as it doesn't kill the monitor outright.

     

    Unfortunately, I can't really offer any real model-specific assistance in that regard ... good luck with your project and take care! High voltage can be quite a frightening experience, if you survive.

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    0 Gough Lui over 7 years ago

    I think it might be a good idea to scope out the signals as generated from the present board, if only just to see a black/solid colour raster. The older monitors aren't very tolerant of timing being too far off as it can cause overstress in some of the analog drive circuitry which leads to burnt-out components. It's why (in the past especially) even Windows warned you about setting display modes not supported by the monitor being possible cause for damage. Likewise, Commodore PET machines had a "killer poke". At the least, it doesn't sync and nothing shows. At the worst, damage is possible.

     

    Once you have a working signal from the present board and know the levels then you might know better as to what sort of signals to generate (e.g. it could be something akin to VGA with R, G, B, Hsync, Vsync and respective grounds expecting a signal that's about 1V or it could be something more like the EGA/CGA era monitors which used full TTL and expected 5V - and also knowledge about scan/refresh rates/front/back porches and vertical blanking interval).

     

    If not, then hopefully you're able to better narrow down the monitor chassis itself as to the model/manufacture and obtain a spec sheet for it.

     

    It's also good to know if the monitor's actually any good as well. As with any CRT, blown flyback transformers, bad high voltage transistors, failing capacitors, knocked alignment magnets during transportation, problem with colour convergence are potential issues. Unstable high voltage which makes the image "bounce" depending on content also seems to be a common issue. CRTs are a source of high voltages - lots of dangers for the inexperienced newbie. No point building for something that's not functional or can't be replaced either.

     

    Then it comes to the hard effort of actually making something that works. While for other video standards like composite, you can generate a video signal with a single pin, doing so with a microcontroller across multiple pins and getting the timing fine-enough to get the full resolution is hard. It's probably something that an FPGA might be better with owing to the fact you will need to drive the RGB values simultaneously during the image period (assuming you want a colour display). If not, monochrome might be achievable tying the lines together ... but keeping the sync accurate on a controller that might have other tasks to attend to (e.g. other interrupt routines) might not be the easiest way to ensure a healthy signal to a monitor like this. Maybe you can settle for an occasional glitch as long as it doesn't kill the monitor outright.

     

    Unfortunately, I can't really offer any real model-specific assistance in that regard ... good luck with your project and take care! High voltage can be quite a frightening experience, if you survive.

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