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What's inside a sub $100 VNA?

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scottiebabe over 1 year ago

You can find the schematic for the NanoVNA V2 on github: https://github.com/nanovna-v2/NanoVNA2 

How does the VNA measure S11 return loss?

With an RF Bridge and a balun, brilliant. 

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You can try it for yourself in spice as follows:

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When the DUT test impedance is equal to the 50 Ohms, the bridge is balanced and there is no differential output signal. The balun attempts to reject the common mode signal.

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Kudus to the designer, clean, simple, cheap... love it.

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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 1 year ago +4
    Contrary to a high-end VNA, where there may be separate directional couplers to measure simultaneously the forward incident power and the reflected power: The NanoVNA2 periodically switches the measurement…
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    scottiebabe over 1 year ago +3
    How about something more "complex", like say a capacitor with a reactance of -50j Ohms. We can use a smith chart to find the load reflection coefficient gamma Every value on the Re(z) = 0 (lossless…
  • flyingbean
    flyingbean over 1 year ago +3
    After reading the blog, I am finally getting confidence to dive deeper on VAN for the RF application projects now.
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    scottiebabe over 1 year ago

    Contrary to a high-end VNA, where there may be separate directional couplers to measure simultaneously the forward incident power and the reflected power:

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    The NanoVNA2 periodically switches the measurement port to an open (which in turn causes all the forward power to be reflected and measured in the bridge)

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    More commodity engineering, great work!

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  • genebren
    genebren over 1 year ago

    This is some very interesting information.  I really like your Spice work.  I don't think I have ever used the symbol that you are using for the calibration factor.  This is something that I need to look into.

    Thanks for sharing!

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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 1 year ago

    How about something more "complex", like say a capacitor with a reactance of -50j Ohms. We can use a smith chart to find the load reflection coefficient gamma 

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    Every value on the Re(z) = 0 (lossless components) has a gamma with a magnitude of 1 (ie all incident power is reflected because the component is lossless). 

    gamma(Z=-50j) = -j = 1 <-90'

    The addition of a transmission line of characteristic impedance zo rotates the apparent gamma clockwise, with 1/4 lambda rotating the apparent impedance 180'.

    So in spice I am testing at 1MHz, so a capacitor with an impedance of -50j is a 3.183 nF capacitor.

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    With no tx-line we see gamma=-j, at 1/8 lamda a short circuit, and at 1/4 lambda an inductor with a value of +50j ohms. 

    Same graph again as magnitude and phase, note constant amplitude varying phase

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    neat circuit.

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    scottiebabe over 1 year ago in reply to genebren

    Thanks for the kind words. I am amazed and grateful for the nano series instruments, they are quite impressive for the price.

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  • DAB
    DAB over 1 year ago

    Very nice post, very informative.

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    robogary over 1 year ago

    Holy graphs and simulations Batman. You really are a Rembrandt with the software tools. 

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    flyingbean over 1 year ago

    After reading the blog, I am finally getting confidence to dive deeper on VAN for the RF application projects now.

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    scottiebabe over 1 year ago in reply to flyingbean

    Yay! That is exciting, these low cost VNA are nothing to fear Slight smile I have the SAA2 which is a step forward from the orginal nanovna. There are a few others too, but I haven't tried them. I also bought the Rf Demo kit board 

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    I will post some sample measurements soon. It has some quirks and those painful u.FL connectors... tradeoffs. 

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