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robogary
robogary over 1 year ago

I bought a some devices for my current E14 project that came with 30 AWG pigtails.

The pigtails were about 3 inches long with about a 1/16th inch stripped on the end.

All the different techniques of joining 2 ends of wire before soldering look great, until you are working with 28 or 30 AWG wire. 

I did what I could to make a perpendicular leg with the pigtail wire. The extension wire I stripped a bit further, enough to make a hook, and kinda crimped the hook around the bent wire. 

The third hand clamp was absolutely necessary. Once the wires were hanging from their almost hooks and sorta loosely crimped, I touched with solder and aligned.

Even being quick and careful, the wire insulation was right in there with the hot solder joint and in some cases contaminating the solder joint.

Anyone have detailed experience with the integrity of a small wire solder joint contaminated with insulation ?      

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 1 year ago +7
    30 AWG wire is my favourite choice for board-level connections such as bodge wires on PCBs or point-to-point wiring on a board when prototyping. Often it is silver-plated, and solders well. If it is oxidized…
  • electronicbiker
    electronicbiker over 1 year ago +2
    A lot depends on what it is. PTFE can be difficult to strip but tends to stay the same shape while soldering the wire. Watch out for fumes though. I often use a pair of 'Helping Hands' with thin wire,…
  • dougw
    dougw over 1 year ago +1
    A close inspection of the joint with high magnification is likely the easiest way to get a feel for the quality of the joint. A picture would help. Flux is useful for joints like this.
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  • electronicbiker
    electronicbiker over 1 year ago

    A lot depends on what it is. PTFE can be difficult to strip but tends to stay the same shape while soldering the wire. Watch out for fumes though. I often use a pair of 'Helping Hands' with thin wire, but the croc clips can melt into the insulation if you get the wire too hot. One thing I do with PVC on thin wire which is not recommended is to use the soldering iron to heat the unstripped end until the insulation gets soft, possibly even turning black at the very end, and then to strip it quickly using a fingernail and an opposing thumbnail. This is much kinder to the wire and not too detrimental to the digits used. Clean the soldering iron tip as soon as possible (the stand for mine has a tray for a small damp sponge for this purpose. Don't use 'ordinary' sponge, the ones for soldering irons are specially made to withstand the heat.) Tin the wires before trying to solder them together. For ordinary enameled copper wire I scrape the insulation off with a scalpel blade or similar. There is a type of enamel that doesn't need to be stripped because it melts and acts as a flux, although it often needs to be hotter to do that.

    If the wire is so thin that a bit of enthusiastic bending to and fro would cause the wire close to the soldered joint to snap, I often use a short length of heatshrink tubing to add a bit of strength. The tubing with the glue inside is well worth a try. In the absence of a heatshrink tubing heating tool (basically a hair dryer with a specially-shaped airflow guide) I use a gas (butane?) cigarette lighter to do the shrinking. Only warm it up as little as possible though, and rotate it slowly, or the nearby insulation will melt. Again, watch out for fumes. If you start to feel a bit woozy then shut the cigarette lighter down and leave the room taking the lighter with you. Leave the door open and don't go back in there for about five minutes.

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    electronicbiker over 1 year ago

    A lot depends on what it is. PTFE can be difficult to strip but tends to stay the same shape while soldering the wire. Watch out for fumes though. I often use a pair of 'Helping Hands' with thin wire, but the croc clips can melt into the insulation if you get the wire too hot. One thing I do with PVC on thin wire which is not recommended is to use the soldering iron to heat the unstripped end until the insulation gets soft, possibly even turning black at the very end, and then to strip it quickly using a fingernail and an opposing thumbnail. This is much kinder to the wire and not too detrimental to the digits used. Clean the soldering iron tip as soon as possible (the stand for mine has a tray for a small damp sponge for this purpose. Don't use 'ordinary' sponge, the ones for soldering irons are specially made to withstand the heat.) Tin the wires before trying to solder them together. For ordinary enameled copper wire I scrape the insulation off with a scalpel blade or similar. There is a type of enamel that doesn't need to be stripped because it melts and acts as a flux, although it often needs to be hotter to do that.

    If the wire is so thin that a bit of enthusiastic bending to and fro would cause the wire close to the soldered joint to snap, I often use a short length of heatshrink tubing to add a bit of strength. The tubing with the glue inside is well worth a try. In the absence of a heatshrink tubing heating tool (basically a hair dryer with a specially-shaped airflow guide) I use a gas (butane?) cigarette lighter to do the shrinking. Only warm it up as little as possible though, and rotate it slowly, or the nearby insulation will melt. Again, watch out for fumes. If you start to feel a bit woozy then shut the cigarette lighter down and leave the room taking the lighter with you. Leave the door open and don't go back in there for about five minutes.

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