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What's inside a 20+ year old dimmer switch?

scottiebabe
scottiebabe over 1 year ago

Not much. The dimmer function failed and only the switch function remained functional.

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The schematic is the same as drawn by this author:

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The Quadrac (an internally triggered triac, a triac + diac) failed short between all three terminals.

Searching for an X25783 datasheet led me to this,

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https://images.100y.com.tw/pdf_file/31-Teccor-Quadrac.pdf 

A more common brand that may be similar could be the 

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https://www.littelfuse.com/media?resourcetype=datasheets&itemid=b4817091-0710-4ac7-a446-a7ffcca0a634&filename=littelfuse_thyristor_q6008lth1led_datasheet.pdf 

The potentiometer used as a rheostat has a switch stacked on top.

Not much inside...

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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 1 year ago in reply to dougw +4
    Thankfully its all good news stories. If any fault current went into the earth ground of the mounting box a GFCI breaker would trip. I have never tried or played with Arc Fault breakers (AFCI). I may…
  • robogary
    robogary over 1 year ago +4
    The nice thing is they only stay short briefly if there is a bolted fault :-)
  • dougw
    dougw over 1 year ago in reply to scottiebabe +3
    Amongst the mayhem lies a nice fail-safe design. Nobody got electrocuted and the house didn't burn down.
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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 1 year ago

    Update! There was a party inside.

    The pot terminals flashed over to the case at some point...

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    dougw over 1 year ago in reply to scottiebabe

    Amongst the mayhem lies a nice fail-safe design. Nobody got electrocuted and the house didn't burn down.

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    scottiebabe over 1 year ago in reply to dougw

    Thankfully its all good news stories. If any fault current went into the earth ground of the mounting box a GFCI breaker would trip. 

    I have never tried or played with Arc Fault breakers (AFCI). I may have to buy one to tear apart...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc-fault_circuit_interrupter 

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  • bradfordmiller
    bradfordmiller over 1 year ago in reply to scottiebabe

    Thanks to those damn things I had to buy a cordless vacuum. The regular one always tripped the arc fault and I've only got so many bathrooms to stretch the cord to.

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    scottiebabe over 1 year ago in reply to bradfordmiller

    I have only heard stories about them nuisance tripping...

    I wonder what an AFCI testers is? maybe a shortwave rf transmitter...

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    scottiebabe over 1 year ago in reply to scottiebabe

    Not sure looked a few patents for generating an AFCI test current

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    https://patents.google.com/patent/US8179145 

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    anniel747 over 1 year ago in reply to scottiebabe
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    scottiebabe over 1 year ago in reply to anniel747

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    I wonder what the AFCI button does...

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    scottiebabe over 1 year ago in reply to anniel747

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  • md_steve
    md_steve over 1 year ago in reply to scottiebabe

    My homeowner insurance company is involved with a company that monitors your electrical system to watch for various faults. They claim to find all manner of physical issues from open neutral wires to arcing wires. Obviously their intention is to minimize electrical fires, which I think is a very good idea. I wish I'd had this service twenty years ago!

    For the curious, It's State Farm and Whisper Labs ("Ting"). So far it's only warned me that I've had power interruptions, which I find more useful than the old 'quarter on the ice cube tray' method. 

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