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Technical Crutches - good or bad or necessary evil?

dougw
dougw 3 months ago

When I started thinking about these 2 questions, I started noticing how insidiously these technologies are influencing our lives.

1) Will the internet kill human learning?

The vast information available on the Internet started out as a game changing resource to learn from. However, increasingly it has become a disincentive to learn. Why bother to learn it if you can just Google it? This has benefits and drawbacks which are debatable but to highlight one aspect, I want to ask this question:

  • Are you impressed when you come across someone who has actual knowledge rather than virtual knowledge?

I find myself surprised sometimes when somebody actually knows something that I wouldn't expect them to learn. Does this happen to you?

Do you find that the generations that grew up with the internet, are more dependent on it or use it differently from the older generations?

2) Will AI kill human thinking?

Productivity expectations are increasing to the the extent that use of generative AI is necessary just to get the job done on time.

  • Are you more impressed by someone who creates content without using generative AI, versus someone who uses AI all the time?

Do you think of generative AI as cheating? Or less valuable? Or generic frivolous Pablum? Or a boon to save time and effort?

The internet can be a disincentive to learn. Is this true?

Generative AI can be a disincentive to think. Is this true?

How many of you automatically ask ChatGPT these questions before formulating your own answer?

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  • shabaz
    shabaz 2 months ago +3
    I built a custom graphics editor almost entirely using AI.. took me a couple of evenings (and I knew nothing of graphics nor desktop apps, but now I know a little, from just observation of the AI operating…
  • genebren
    genebren 3 months ago +2
    Like many questions, there are many different answers based on your experiences, temperament and drive. 1) Will the internet kill human learning? It could for some people, but not everyone. I, am I…
  • shabaz
    shabaz 3 months ago +2
    I'm commenting on your questions backwards.. Regarding: "Are you more impressed by someone who creates content without using generative AI, versus someone who uses AI all the time?" It's not a question…
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  • BigG
    BigG 3 months ago
    dougw said:
    1) Will the internet kill human learning?

    It all depends on what you define as learning. Is it merely the process of memorizing theory or facts, or is it the process of understanding how to apply this data or "knowledge". Personally I view computers and Internet are great storehouses of information. So, good for memory. All you have to do it recognize if the data has changed when you last referred to it.

    So IMHO, Internet and computers have disincentivized the need to memorize. Nothing more. As to whether I'm impressed by someone who can regurgitate what is already online. Not so much. Am I impressed by someone who can actually apply what is found online. Very much so.

    dougw said:
    2) Will AI kill human thinking?

    It's a little too early to tell, but based on what I've seen over the years, presenting a response in a highly structured format gives the illusion that something must be correct. The danger lies in how it summarizes vast amounts of data. It's hard to determine how much bias is in the summary given. So despite this obvious danger, I think AI will certainly influence human thinking rather than kill it. That's assuming people will still apply a small degree of skepticism to what they actually read.

    So far, I've found a number of areas where AI is really useful though. Firstly using it to appraise what you are actually after, in terms of creating a project requirements spec. It is fantastic at picking out assumptions you've made when describing something. This helps you firm up the detail.

    Then another area it really helps with is learning. I'm discovering that it is really good at breaking down a stumbling block. By simply asking AI to do something it provides you with a starting point to work from, even if it is not correct. I am learning so much quicker through this process as it is easier to learn from mistakes.

    In summary, I think us older, wiser folk benefit more from AI than the younger folk, as it is good at doing grunt work, which can sometime be tiresome to do, but you need the experience and knowledge to discern if it is providing you with rubbish.

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    BigG 3 months ago
    dougw said:
    1) Will the internet kill human learning?

    It all depends on what you define as learning. Is it merely the process of memorizing theory or facts, or is it the process of understanding how to apply this data or "knowledge". Personally I view computers and Internet are great storehouses of information. So, good for memory. All you have to do it recognize if the data has changed when you last referred to it.

    So IMHO, Internet and computers have disincentivized the need to memorize. Nothing more. As to whether I'm impressed by someone who can regurgitate what is already online. Not so much. Am I impressed by someone who can actually apply what is found online. Very much so.

    dougw said:
    2) Will AI kill human thinking?

    It's a little too early to tell, but based on what I've seen over the years, presenting a response in a highly structured format gives the illusion that something must be correct. The danger lies in how it summarizes vast amounts of data. It's hard to determine how much bias is in the summary given. So despite this obvious danger, I think AI will certainly influence human thinking rather than kill it. That's assuming people will still apply a small degree of skepticism to what they actually read.

    So far, I've found a number of areas where AI is really useful though. Firstly using it to appraise what you are actually after, in terms of creating a project requirements spec. It is fantastic at picking out assumptions you've made when describing something. This helps you firm up the detail.

    Then another area it really helps with is learning. I'm discovering that it is really good at breaking down a stumbling block. By simply asking AI to do something it provides you with a starting point to work from, even if it is not correct. I am learning so much quicker through this process as it is easier to learn from mistakes.

    In summary, I think us older, wiser folk benefit more from AI than the younger folk, as it is good at doing grunt work, which can sometime be tiresome to do, but you need the experience and knowledge to discern if it is providing you with rubbish.

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  • BigG
    BigG 3 months ago in reply to BigG

    Here is a practical example related to learning through AI. 

    I literally asked this question 30 mins ago. I have no real idea if the generated answer to my poorly worded question is correct or not. But, I do know, from previous experience, that by working through the workflow steps I will discover what works and doesn't work, and learn from it. When I asked this question I had absolutely no idea how to start the process. So who knows. It's at least broken a stumbling block.

    gemini.google.com/.../13ced3879072

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  • shabaz
    shabaz 3 months ago in reply to BigG

    I don't know the answer either, but I know what you mean, regarding having enough steps/pointers to now be guided in a direction that you'll learn something from. I too learned something just from a quick glance at it; initially, I thought the AI was misleading by mentioning .dts files (which I thought were just a Linux-specific thing and hence would not apply to a Cortex-M chip), but googling around, I realized that the RTOS does indeed use those device tree files too.

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  • BigG
    BigG 3 months ago in reply to shabaz

    Just like students in a classroom; you'll seldom get the very same answer and the answer is seldom formatted the same... and ultimately, you'll either learn from it, or you'll get confused by it...

    So, the link above was from Gemini 2.5 Pro. 

    I then asked the same question (amended slightly for clarity) to Gemini 2.5 Flash, and I got a different response: https://g.co/gemini/share/ef8f017a5909

    I then asked that same question to ChatGPT for advice and this is the response I got (had to paste to Google Docs):  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zlmwdwfPIhphScTYLZnLhDnL8YgSic_lgpWBFZbpOM0/edit?usp=sharing

    I then asked Claude and here is its response (also pasted to Google docs): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ykt6TU6HdGBjpXcqeVvY0nwk7HXz9iLv5qQX6GKkvyY/edit?usp=sharing

    Claude actually goes a step further (even though this was not asked for): https://claude.ai/public/artifacts/06be4674-0ef2-46ec-9740-066a73b5f293

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    shabaz 3 months ago in reply to BigG

    I've noticed that too, often there are some elements of commonality. There's a chance all are relevant in some ways.With traditional book learning, I try to get two books on the same subject, so that if I find one section confusing in one book, then I hope I might be fortunate and understand that from the second book. Fortunately books are sometimes a very cheap way to learn, because used books are about the only bargain I tend to get lucky at!

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