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  • Date Created: 7 Mar 2019 9:00 AM Date Created
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10x Passive Probes and Cable Reflections

caroline_teledynelecroy
caroline_teledynelecroy
7 Mar 2019

We've been discussing the ubiquitous 10x passive probe here on Test Happens, beginning with an overview of the probe-oscilloscope system. We turned to the 10x passive probe itself and the issues posed by its constitutive circuitry. Then we covered what about that circuitry makes it usable at all, namely, its built-in equalization circuit.

 

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Figure 1: With unequal impedances at either end of the coax, are cable reflections a concern in 10x passive probes?

 

Now we'll consider another hurdle posed by the 10x passive probe's makeup. Namely, what about the issue of cable reflections? Most 10x passive probes have a 36-inch run of coaxial cable between the probe itself and the connector to the oscilloscope. Referring to Figure 1, we find a high 9-MΩ impedance with a 10-pF bypass capacitor in parallel at the probe end, and a 1-MΩ impedance at the oscilloscope termination. By rights, one would expect reflections in that coaxial cable, especially given that we're looking at signals that could be in the 200-400 MHz range.

 

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Figure 2: Shown is a cross-section of a 10x passive-probe coax cable

 

The secret sauce in the 10x passive probe, however, is that the coax isn't your garden-variety coax. If you cut the cable used in Teledyne LeCroy's 10x passive probes and look at the cross section, you'll see what's shown in Figure 2. The exterior jacket surrounds the braided shielding and insulating dielectric. In the very center is the center conductor made of NiCr wire. The dielectric is a foamed polyethylene with a very low dielectric constant that's close to that of air. At a diameter of 2-3 mils, the NiCr center conductor is highly resistive.

 

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Figure 3: A 10x passive-probe cable is highly attenuating compared to standard RG-174 coax

 

The cable constitutes a distributed termination system. It's not a particularly high-performance coaxial cable; in fact, it's very lossy. If you take a 3-ft length of the probe cable and a 3-ft length of standard RG-174 SMA coaxial cable and measure their respective insertion losses on a network analyzer, you find that the RG-174 has relatively low losses compared to that of the probe cable, which is highly attenuating (Figure 3).

 

That high level of attenuation is why the probe assembly doesn't suffer cable-reflection issues. High-frequency signals will indeed reflect but in the process, they encounter so much attenuation that they simply don't register as reflected signals. All of the high-frequency components are effectively damped down in the cable, which, of course, is why we're limited to around 400-500 MHz bandwidth through the cable.

 

In our next post, we'll summarize the 10x passive probe and also look at a way to get higher bandwidth and high impedance as well.

 

Previous posts in this series:

Putting Probes in Perspective

Secrets of the 10x Passive Probe

How Equalization Works in 10x Passive Probes
How Tip Inductance Impacts a Probing System's Bandwidth

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  • 14rhb
    14rhb over 4 years ago +1
    A great explanation - engineered to be good by understanding the mechanisms and choosing the lower performance cable. Thank you. Rod
  • 14rhb
    14rhb over 4 years ago

    A great explanation - engineered to be good by understanding the mechanisms and choosing the lower performance cable. Thank you.

     

    Rod

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