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  • Author Author: peterjcs23
  • Date Created: 13 Mar 2015 11:22 AM Date Created
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CurSns4 – Amplifiers: Difference: Isolation.

peterjcs23
peterjcs23
13 Mar 2015

CurSns4 – Amplifiers: Difference: Isolation.

 

12 Mar 2015

 

Blog Index:

http://www.element14.com/community/people/peterjcs23/blog/2015/02/27/current-sensor-index-and-references

 

This blog, CurSns4, will look into:

  • Current Shunt Amplifiers
  • Differential amplifier, common mode limit
  • Isolation amplifier

 

Current sensor resistors are used to convert current to an easily measured voltage that is proportional to current as discussed in the blog:

http://www.element14.com/community/people/peterjcs23/blog/2015/02/21/current-sensor-1-introduction

 

Differential Amplifier, Common Mode Limit.

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So let’s define a few terms:

R2 = R4 and R3 = R5.

RSense << R2 and R3.

 

Vout = (V1 – V2) x (R3 / R2) + Vref.

G = R3 / R2; Gain of Difference Amplifier

VDM = V1 – V2; Difference Mode Input Voltage to Different Amplifier.

VCM = (V1 + V2)/ 2; Common Mode Input Voltage to Difference Amplifier.

 

VOH = Maximum High Level Vout of OpAmp. (From datasheet)

VOL = Minimum Low Level Vout of OpAmp. (From datasheet)

VCMRH = Maximum High Level Common Mode Input Voltage of OpAmp. (From datasheet)

VCML = Minimum Low Level Common Mode Input Voltage of OpAmp. (From datasheet)

 

So the VDM range will be:

VDM > (VOL-Vref)/G and VDM < (VOH – Vref)/G

 

And the maximum applied voltage will correspond to the OpAmp maximum common mode input VCMRH:

V1 < VCMRH (1 + 1/G) + Vref.

 

So for an OpAmp with 5V rail, Gain of 50, VOH 5V, Vref 2.5V and VCMRH 3V:

The output will saturate when VDM = (5-2.5)/50 = 50mV or full scale for a 50mV shunt…

…and the maximum input supply voltage will be 3 (1 + 0.02) + 2.5 = 6.52V.

 

If we want to operate a high side current shunt in a high voltage motor drive, say ±400V then the common mode range of a differential amplifier does not help.


Isolation Amplifier.


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The Agilent ACPLC790 is an isolation amplifier designed for use with current sense resistors in high-side applications. The circuit above forms the basis of the isolation amplifiers (item 5) in this test stand:

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The input/output barrier has a specification of 1230 Vpeak working insulation voltage.

The test stand instrumentation operates at 5V referenced to 0V and the isolated side of the amplifier is powered from a DC-DC converter U2 with an insulation working voltage of 1000 Vpeak, which sets the common mode limit of the module in the test stand.

 

Contact cscltd@btconnect.com for more information on this isolation amplifier. It is 2 channel, current and voltage, suitable for phase parameter measurements. Or put a query in the blog.


Here are a few useful references.

http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1279404

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/chpt_8/9.html

http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/AppNotes/01332B.pdf

http://uk.farnell.com/avago-technologies/acpl-c790-000e/ic-amp-isolation-8soic/dp/1854250

http://uk.farnell.com/texas-instruments/ina159aidgkt/differential-amplifier-1-5mhz/dp/1690665

http://uk.farnell.com/texas-instruments/ina149evm/eval-module-ina149-diff-amplifier/dp/2081122

https://electronicsknowhowblog.wordpress.com/

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  • clem57
    clem57 over 10 years ago +2
    Excellent tutorial peterjcs23 . Each time I think you nailed a topic, you find another good one. Keep it up. I especially like the references at the end. Thanks, Clem
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 10 years ago +1
    The problem with isolation amplifiers is the high cost, both of the amplifier itself and the isolated power supply required. The amp specs are often poor in some respects. For high side current measurements…
  • DAB
    DAB over 10 years ago +1
    Good post. It is easy to forget the many uses for the differential capability of the Op Amp. Thanks for the reminder. DAB
  • peterjcs23
    peterjcs23 over 10 years ago

    On another blog someone suggested a really good range of components for current shunt monitoring. These things are high side monitors and have a common mode capability between 20V and 60V.

     

    http://diodes.com/catalog/current_output_79/

     

    ...Peter

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    peterjcs23 over 10 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Hi Michael, sorry for delay in responding. Yes the AD8479 achieves a high common mode input as I described by using a gain of 1/60 so with V1 < VCMRH (1 + 1/G) + Vref. and VCMRH at 10V and 1/G=60 you get the ~600V isolation. The gain is restored in the chip to unity so a 50mV shunt will give 50mV out. I have used these chips and they are fine if you don't want isolation. It is better to use the chip rather than make a similar amp from a general purpose opamp as the resistors are well matched in the AD8470.

     

    And as you say if you want isolation you can use a magnetic sensor of some sort. For any application you have to weigh up all the factors such as isolation, accuracy, range, bandwidth cost etc. I have over the years used just about every type of current sensor you can think of.

    ...Peter

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    peterjcs23 over 10 years ago in reply to clem57

    Hi Clem, thanks for the positive feedback...Peter

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    jw0752 over 10 years ago

    Thank you for the continuing tutorials.

    John

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    DAB over 10 years ago

    Good post.

     

    It is easy to forget the many uses for the differential capability of the Op Amp.

     

    Thanks for the reminder.

     

    DAB

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