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Experimenting With Using an LED as a Light Sensor

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Does an LED work as a light sensor? Short answer is yes. That's fairly well known, but I've never tried it myself, so here goes.

 

I'm going to use a couple of old high-brightness red LEDs. I don't know much about them other than that they are definitely high in brightness, have a narrow viewing angle, and the package is 'crystal clear'.

 

My light source is an Arduino flashing one of the LEDs five hundred times a second [if can do a 'blinky', so can I!]. I've got a 330R resistor for the current limiting, so the current will be around 10mA.

 

For the receiver I repurposed an old experiment, so not ideal but it will do for the blog. The board had an OP177 op amp on it. I've reworked it to be a simple transimpedance amplifier. It won't be particularly fast, but with a bit of luck it will be able to keep up with the Arduino.

 

The output of the reverse-biased LED will be a few uA at most [the current is proportional to the light and is what we are trying to detect].

 

Here's the circuit

 

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and here it is on the bench

 

 

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Most of the photo-current through the LED also flows through the 10M resistor. The op amp will adjust its output so that the connection between the LED and the resistor remains at 2.5V, to match the other input. So the voltage across the resistor will be 10V for each uA of current flow. With a more sophisticated circuit we could get that output voltage referenced to ground, either by working with dual-rail supplies or by following the transimpedance amplifier with a differential amplifier. In this case I'm going to cheat and clip the earth of the scope to the 2.5V being produced by the voltage reference. That's effectively the same potential as the LED/resistor node. I can do that because the bench supply output that's powering the board isn't tied to any outside voltage. [The reason for not attaching it to the node itself is because that would cause the op amp to oscillate (I tried it: it does).]

 

Here's what the oscilloscope sees:

 

 

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The yellow trace is the op-amp output [relative to the 2.5V reference] and the blue trace shows the Arduino pin that's driving the LED. The output from the LED is only just up at the 1uA mark, and that's with a lot of light pouring in to it, but it does work (the op amp output is limiting at the top). I was worried that the 'dark' current (the basic leakage current of the diode) might be quite high, but you can see from this that it's actually fairly good and doesn't have any impact on the results.

 

The ramping of the output up and down comes from the charging of the capacitor across the feedback resistor.

 

Next, I tried increasing the distance between the LEDs by about a centimetre, like this

 

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and that produced this trace

 

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now the amplitude is lower (there's quite a lot of overshoot, but I'm going to ignore that).

 

OK, so what happens if I change the red LED on the UNO side for a green one, like this?

 

 

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Does it still work?

 

 

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And the answer is yes. The level is much lower, but then the green LED is dimmer anyway.

 

Having just invented the optocoupler, I'm going to stop there. As far as I can see, there isn't any real use of this - if you need an optocoupler, buy an optocoupler; don't try and make one out of a pair of LEDs - but it's quite fun to play with.

 

There's a further blog on the topc here: More on Using an LED as a Light Sensor

 

If you found this interesting and would like to see other blogs I've written, a list can be found here: jc2048 Blog Index

  • in reply to jc2048

    Jon,

     

    Regretfully my multimeter is not as good as this, it is just  al ow cost hand-held one. The lowest current scale is 200 uA so may or may not be able to measure differences as small as 0.1 uA. I'll have to look for some MOhm resistors in my old stuff. I did have some very old carbon based resistors from when I was a lad tucked away at the back of a cupboard - it's time I dug them out anyway as I'm trying to declutter my garage anyway.

     

    Dubbie

  • Very good experiment.

    It is one of those projects where you know intuitively that it will work, but it is always fun to verify theory with testing.

     

    DAB

  • in reply to dubbie

    If you have a reasonable bench meter, you can measure the current directly. The LED doesn't seem to be as efficient as a silicon photodiode would be. Here I'm measuring an LED [5V reverse bias - the additional 2k2 resistor is just for safety so that I don't accidently blow the meter fuse when fumbling around] that's pointing out of a window [grey, overcast conditions] and the resulting current is only about a tenth of a uA.

     

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  • in reply to Fred27

    Thanks Fred. It was your comment that triggered off this blog [I've gotten really bogged down on a couple of others and thought if I did a quick, easy one it would motivate me to get and finish the others].

     

    Here's a link to Dubbie's blog: LEDGrid Display # 2 : The Laser Activated Display

  • in reply to Andrew J

    For interfacing to a processor, there's a much simpler way than using an op amp as a transimpedance amplifier. If you drive an LED and then remove the drive voltage (tristate the output driving it), you'll be left with a voltage somewhat lower than the forward voltage hanging around. That voltage is being held on the capacitance that exists between the two sides of the junction. The voltage will change as the photocurrent discharges it, so if your processor pin can be switched to be a high-impedance analog input you could measure it and then see how much it has moved a little while later [you wouldn't be able to do this with all processors: Microchip PICs, for instance, don't have a high-impedance buffer ahead of the A/D sampling circuitry, but the small Atmel parts do]. I don't know for sure, but I would imagine that how it's done on a Micro:bit, where the LEDs are used as the light sensor.

     

    Edit: I was wrong. The A/D on the 328 processor on the UNO and NANO needs to be driven from a lowish resistance source too, so you wouldn't be able to do it with those parts either.