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  • Author Author: Former Member
  • Date Created: 29 Mar 2012 2:59 PM Date Created
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Spikes in the Ether – EMC and Compliance

Former Member
Former Member
29 Mar 2012

I was about to start talking about the design of the Pi but it seems that events have got ahead of me so instead I’ll talk about compliance.

 

It is common practice to build engineering samples/ dev boards without compliance testing simply to get programmers and developers up and running. In fact I cannot think of many companies who haven't done this.

 

It is normally not commercially sensible to start detailed certification of a design without first checking out that the feature set and functionality does not have gremlins. Even relatively minor design changes to support product level 'fixes' opens up the realistic possibility of having to re-certify again, possibly across multiple jurisdictions. The software system on Pi is sufficiently complex that a few 10's of boards are really not enough to prove the design, and as has been said elsewhere, most people buying the first boards were aware that there was still some development to do and they were very much helping us in that process. This was in line with the well trodden path of several other excellent community based developments.

 

The foundations decision to take on professional distribution partners has cause them and us considerable pain, but compared with the option of trying to raise a logistics operation out of the ground ourselves we would, even with the delays we would be much much further behind the curve.

 

Their compliance teams have been working diligently to try to formulate a response to the issues raised, and they have also had to take into account the diversity of Pi 'use cases' that they have. It had always been the foundations intention, and roadmap, to certify before the unit was put into the educational environment (both domestic and institutional), and this would also include a number of case options. Our partners have already helped us accelerate this activity.

 

Regrettably I am now minded to agree with their arguments based on sheer volume of interest and user demographics and some subtle arguments as to what constitutes a ‘finished’ product.

This now puts us all in the difficult position of having to complete the full certification in a short space of time, rather that the more leisurely plan we had in place for over the summer.  Anyone involved in compliance will know this is not a trivial issue and not something that we can absolutely guarantee to accomplish in a couple of weeks but we are going to give it our best shot. We have used solid ground planes, impedance matched traces and copious decoupling. A quick look around discussions on HDMI signal integrity and EMC will give pointers to the problems we were likely to face if you are interested.

 

Early pre-compliance work we conducted last week indicated that we were not simply going to be 'lucky' and everything is going to be perfect, but we could see quite clearly that the HDMI was a prime culprit, as expected. (Don’t you just hate being the lead engineer on a project with ‘issues’). However, work that Eben and myself did this week into the wee hours, (sorry Liz), brightened the horizon for me as we could see we were overdriving the HDMI and also had chosen a less than capable cable. (I'm not going to name and shame the supplier - should have bought it from e14!) The Broadcom chip is incredibly versatile and we have some definite options for ripping 10db or more off the key gremlin frequencies. Before you ask, yes, this should be enough.

 

We have assembled a talented team of engineers and supporters who are helping us work through the certification issues in association with our partners. We hope to have the critical results in by mid-week but that depends on a number of factors so in 'Pi time' could be towards the end of the week.

 

Taking the longer view, this needed to be done before we get these into schools so ultimately its all good and in the right direction.

 

Once we have the green light, rubber stamp or whatever you like to call it, our partners are primed and ready to do what we could never do – delivery of real volume. They have people working full time on resolving the world-wide logistics for both serious (and I mean serious) volume manufacture in double quick time and the subsequent distribution.

 

Cheers

 

Pete

 

Slightly despondent – Yes 

Gutted for you all - our supporters  – Definitely (the wait is agonising/agonizing)

Belief in our goal - Unshakable.

Anonymous

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 10 years ago +1

    Pete,

      Are you trying to meet the Class A industrial standard, or Class B residential?

      If a particular HDMI cable is used for testing, will that cable need to be bundled with the RPi?

      10db over the limit…

  • fustini
    fustini over 10 years ago in reply to Former Member

    johnbeetem pointed out this encouraging post by Liz:

     

    http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/general-discussion/status-updates-a-k-a-wheres-my-pi-at/#p61030

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    Former Member over 10 years ago in reply to lath

    Sorry, but "I'm, like you, just a costumer, that like to help other costumers, if i can." reminded me of the Emperor's New Clothes story.

     

    Mike.

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    Former Member over 10 years ago in reply to Former Member

    I agree, I don't think it takes a week for compliance testing. Lets hope that the issue with the HDMI is a simple fix and that something else doesn't get thrown into the mix.

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    Former Member over 10 years ago

    I've got the same email, after all I registerd with both of RS and Farnell at the time, but if you read it, they actually say "when we'll have the certification released" as the first thing.

    So no, not really a change, they're just taking time. Farnell just didn't say it ("we are still doing the compliance tests") but I guess it's what is going on.

    And since,  PeteL said, they were supposed to do them this monday, ... if for the end of the week there isn't info, like big fat post on RPi blog, I'll assume they didn't go well and there ae other issues to iron out. :|

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  • lath
    lath over 10 years ago in reply to Former Member

    I had got a very long email from Element 14/Farnells competitor (RS Components), which is explaining what is going on.

     

    News can be boiled down to: First 2000 available soon, and very shortly after that:  The others in the wait queue will be able to make their order in a first come - first served order. You will be invited to do your order via an email.

     

    Now, that was RS. I don't no what Element 14/Farnell is doing. They have a FAQ somewhere, I guess.

     

    I hope you found that information useful.

     

    Note:

     

    Please, don't complain to me, I'm not from RPF, Farnell/ELement 14 or RS.

    I'm, like you, just a costumer, that like to help other costumers, if i can.

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