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  • Author Author: jw0752
  • Date Created: 25 Sep 2014 6:41 AM Date Created
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A Lesson Learned

jw0752
jw0752
25 Sep 2014

This evening I was experimenting with a simple LM339 comparator circuit and a photo transistor. Everything appeared to be working fine but when I attempted to take some voltage readings with my Fluke 177 they were not what I expected. The inputs to the comparator were reading too high and acted as if there was voltage leakage from the inputs of the LM339. These input are very high impedance and there should be no leakage. The chip seemed to be working as it was sensing the change in voltage from the photo transistor. I set up several experiments to see why my voltage readings were so strange. When I connected the oscilloscope to the bread board its earth ground seemed to stabilize things a little and my readings from the scope looked almost normal, that is until I looked at the output of the comparator. There staring at me from the little round green screen was the clue to where my problem was originating. My fluorescent lighting in the shop was turning on and off 120 time a second. This on and off, while not detectable by my eyes was very detectable by the photo transistor. Since my test circuit was in effect oscillating at 120Hz the Fluke was reading the voltages as pulsating DC and calculating the effective voltage. The lesson that I learned tonight is that whenever I am working with photo sensitive sensors I have to be aware of the effect of the 120Hz strobe lights that I am using for illumination in my shop. An additional recommendation to self is to more quickly turn to the oscilloscope for it diagnostic ability.

John

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  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 10 years ago in reply to DAB
    look into what they put inside the cfl bulbs

    Yes, I have none here   ... and that's one reason.


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    DAB over 10 years ago in reply to mcb1

    Hi Mark,

     

    As I said, they could be 100% recyclable, but most were just dumped into landfills.

    If you want a real shock, look into what they put inside the cfl bulbs to make them glow.

    You definitely do not want to inhale any of the dust if one breaks.

     

    DAB

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    mcb1 over 10 years ago in reply to DAB

    the old light bulbs were 100% recyclable

    Sadly I don't think the manufacturing and disposal part comes into 'environmentally friendly'.

     

    I use the 12v diachroic lamps with an electronic transformer, because I can use far less and have better lighting.

    In NZ we have a number of the energy saver type lamps which might be fine in certain conditions but aren't the answer when you factor in the manufacture, cost and disposal.

     

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    DAB over 10 years ago in reply to jw0752

    Yes, while I like the increase in efficiency, the old light bulbs were 100% recyclable.

    I hope that someone realizes that the material in the new bulbs will be worth recycling and keep them out of the land fill.

     

    DAB

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    jw0752 over 10 years ago in reply to DAB

    Hi Don, I really hadn't given it much thought as I have been slowly being pushed out of my incandescents into the flourescent bulbs. While I can't see the flicker directly it occasionally bothers my periferal vision. By the way, have you ever opened up the base of one of the flourescent bulbs? It is full of electronic components. There is a lot more hazadous waste with the flourescents than they had with the incandescents. We may be saving energy but here is always a side effect and a price to pay. Thanks for your reply.

    John

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