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  • Date Created: 2 May 2019 4:37 AM Date Created
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Exploring Spot Welding - A Failed Experiment

jw0752
jw0752
2 May 2019

       Since I do a lot of circuit board salvage I end up with a good supply of great components with short leads. When I use these components in my experiments and builds I must either deal with the short leads or add an extension. This is usually done by tinning the component lead and the extension and then holding them parallel while heating the solder and allowing it to bridge them. This works fine but there is always the danger when soldering the component to the board that heat transfer up the lead will damage or unsolder the splice.

 

     Tonight I decided to explore the possibility of spot welding extensions to short leaded components. The spot welds would not be susceptible to melting like the solder splices. I had a rough idea how to build a simple spot welder so I gathered some resources:

 

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The 33000 uF capacitor is capable of 60 volts so It should be able to store up to 60 Joules of energy. U = 1/2 C V^2. I am going to use the copper strapping to bring the energy from the capacitor to a point where I can sandwich the short component lead and the proposed extension between it and a copper point. The contactor in the picture will be used to close the circuit and apply the energy in the capacitor to the circuit. Hopefully enough of this energy will get concentrated in the splice and fuse the two leads together. The mouse trap is the starting point for making a spring loaded copper point which will apply the pressure through a copper point to the weld point. The 12 AWG wire in the foreground will be the copper pressure point.

 

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Here is the experiment built to the point where I will be able to test for proof of concept.  The capacitor will be charged and then the contactor will be energized which will close the circuit and hopefully weld the two wires together. The first big problem was positioning the two wires to be welded between the lower copper plate and the upper electrode. Finally, by flattening both wires I was able to get them positioned. I charged the capacitor to 5 volts and energized the contactor. No weld. I tried again at 10 volts and still no weld. Next I upped the voltage to 30 volts and tried it once more. This time I got a nice pop and a splatter of small molten particles exiting the site of the weld. The two wires had been welded together but it was a very poor weld and was easily broken with a slight bend.

 

I repeated this process of fighting with the wires until they were positioned and then closing the contactor. After several failed attempts to get a good weld I realized that the metallurgy of the standard component leads and extensions were not suited to spot welding. I went and got some high nickel and chrome content wire that is used in dentistry and intended for spot welding and tried that. Now I was getting much better welds but this metal which is very similar to the metal used to spot weld battery packs together would not make good lead extensions for components as it is not very ductile and is difficult if not impossible to solder.

 

 

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Here is a picture of my artistic creation using the dental orthodontic wire and the resistor with a piece of the dental wire welded to it. I was not able to weld any of the conventional tinned extension wire satisfactorily to the resistor.

 

 

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As you can see from the blast marks on the copper contact point the energy was getting to the proper point. At the 30 volts of charge that I was using there was about 15 Joules of energy available. The copper in the component leads would melt too much and the arc would blow it out of the point of contact. It doesn't look like this will work.

 

If anyone has any other ideas on how to successfully add extension leads to short leaded components let me know or if there are some spot welding techniques for working with copper I will continue to experiment.

 

Thanks

 

John

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 6 years ago +9
    Hi John, This is a really great experiment! I'm hoping to learn how to do this one day too, so I'm going to follow your work with interest. It sounds like you're doing the right stuff, using copper plate…
  • fmilburn
    fmilburn over 6 years ago +9
    Hi John, Up to your usual interesting experiments I see... Among my credentials is a secondary degree in metallurgy which has never been applied and to which I normally don't admit to for fear of being…
  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 6 years ago in reply to fmilburn +8
    Hi Frank, I am jealous of your metallurgy knowledge. It is an area where I have nearly as much curiosity as I do with the electronics. Your suggestions all made good sense and I will just have to do some…
  • three-phase
    three-phase over 6 years ago in reply to shabaz

    I have found some capacitor based spot welding projects now. A lot seemed to use super capacitors, but there were some using electrolytic. It will be good if John can get a capacitive version up and running, it will be much lighter and manageable than a transformer based version.

     

    Kind regards.

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    shabaz over 6 years ago in reply to jw0752

    Hi John,

     

    There are some purely capacitor-related projects online, I guess it can work in theory, but your design could be the best of both worlds, using charged capacitor and transformer perhaps.

    Anyway, I don't want to distract you from your experiments, I really know nothing about metals and welding : (

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    jw0752 over 6 years ago in reply to three-phase

    Hi Donald,

     

    Thanks for the great information. I have been pretty much convinced that my idea to use a capacitive discharge to make the weld was ill conceived. When I reflect back on the spot weld units I have seen and worked on they all had a big transformer. I will follow that path in my next experiments.

     

    I will experiment with the splicing idea you mentioned.

     

    John

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    three-phase over 6 years ago

    A very interesting project.

     

    I have never seen a capacitive discharge spot welder, I have only seen it carried out with either a lead acid battery as the source, or a transformer and rectifier. A lot of home made spot welders for lithium battery tabs utilise a rewound transformer from a microwave, in a similar system to that suggested by shabaz. The duration of the current flow is also controlled to produce consistent welds. For the welds you are doing there may even be enough energy in a lithium battery pack, but current limiting and battery temperature precautions will need to be considered.

     

    There are some videos from a company on Youtube that make resistance welding machines, they do provide a little detail the setup they are using, so this may give you some ideas to look at.

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHChJi0PJfk

     

    The particular one linked above shows two copper wires being cross welded, but there are plenty more videos from them showing other processes.

     

    The alternative to resistance welding is ultrasonic welding parts together, this for me would be much more of a challenge, but I do not know if your background gives you access to knowledge and apparatus that could be utilised for such a design?

     

    It also makes me think of exothermic welding process that we use on large copper tapes. The heat generated is a chemical reaction but we clamp the tapes together in a former that hold them in place, this retains the heat and stops the molten metal escaping. I am thinking that perhaps making the bottom plate with a small channel that you could lay the wires in to, so that they are supported and then the top electrode lowered on to them to keep them pushed together. Not sure how such a small intricate former could be made without machining?

     

    I have come across a technique of forming small coils in the wire end to be joined that the component wire is fed into and then soldered on, a bit like wire wrapping. This may provide more support and prevent the joints from falling apart when soldered into a board.

     

    Reply number 9 in the linked blog from the vintage radio forum, shows the above technique.

     

    https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/showthread.php?t=106515

     

    Adding heatshrink around a joint would also help to support it, but that is also increasing the cost and time of making the joints.

     

    Kind regards.

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    jw0752 over 6 years ago in reply to DAB

    Hi DAB,

     

    You always have good advice. I will keep experimenting as I can't seem to help it.

     

    Thanks

    John

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