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  • Date Created: 30 Mar 2020 11:11 PM Date Created
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Playing with Circuit Boards while the Virus Storm Passes

jw0752
jw0752
30 Mar 2020

I am very lucky to have a son in the Dental Equipment Service Business who faithfully watches for circuit boards that he can salvage from discarded equipment and deliver to the old man (me). Here is the cache that I got on Friday.

 

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Sometimes I will just salvage them out for the parts but I am always watching for interesting assemblies that I can add to my resources and repurpose. Among the boards were 2 sets of (11) lighted momentary push button switches. These switch banks came from a European Panoramic X-ray machine as many of the parts were made by Siemens. I believe they were used to select the intensity of the x-ray exposure. Obviously heavier people require a more powerful x-ray to penetrate teeth and bone than does a small boned person.

 

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Here is one bank of the switches mounted to its original board. I decided to take the other bank of switches and see if I could independently power it on a bread board. I wanted to see if I could get the buttons to sequence properly and I wanted to see what kind of output I could generate.

 

The main chips on the board are SAS580 and SAS590 by Siemens Electric. I could not find data sheets or information on these chips at first so when I powered them with 5 volts nothing worked. After more searching on the internet I was able to see some information in the google images page. From the images and sample schematics I learned that 30 volts was a more typical voltage for these chips and so I cranked the power supply up to 20 volts and the switch bank came to life.

 

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I could now push the buttons at random and the LED in the corresponding button would light. My next experiment was to see how the different buttons would affect the output. There were only 9 pins going into this board and so I set up a chart and measured each pin as individual buttons were pressed. I also looked at the different pins with the scope. I suspected the output would either be analog and  be a voltage change on a pin or series of pins or it might be digital and show up as a binary sequence on a series of pins or even as a PWM modulated output. The scope saw only DC voltages regardless of which button was pushed and in the final analysis only one pin (#5) was showing any change from button to button. The output was apparently analog on pin 5. The output had a direct relation to the voltage that I was supplying to the board for the Vcc.

 

I set the voltage to 20 volts for the Vcc and here is the output sequence that I got off pin 5:

 

Button               Pin 5 Voltage

1                         0.45V

2                         6.24V

3                         6.43V

4                         6.62V

5                         6.81V

6                         6.99V

7                         7.18V

8                         7.36V

9                         7.54V

10                       7.72V

11                       7.91V

 

These voltage differences could easily be interpreted by the Analog ADC inputs of an Arduino or other micro processor. This board will be able to be repurposed if the old man is able to come up with an idea and a practical purpose. The buttons are mutually exclusive so one is not able to select more than one at a time. This limits the new application to some extent. I have a set of toggle switches by the bench that I use to turn on and off lights and different sections of the lab. This was my first thought but I always have multiple lights and sections selected. Time will tell and just to make it easier in the future I will document what I have learned and put it on a tag so that when the day does come I do not have to figure it out again.

 

Here is a short video demonstrating how the switch bank works.

 

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I hope you are all well and finding things to keep you busy. Thanks for checking out my adventure with the switch bank.

 

John

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  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 5 years ago in reply to fmilburn +3
    Hi Frank, Thanks for the ideas. Most of the time things like this switch bank don't get used by me but they always give me a thinking exercise as I try to come up with applications and then try to solve…
  • genebren
    genebren over 5 years ago +2
    John, Good to hear from you. Looks like a pretty good haul of surplus parts and such. Seems like there were a good number of poser supply boards, judging by the large capacitors and transformers. The switches…
  • fmilburn
    fmilburn over 5 years ago +2
    Hi John, That is a heavy duty bank of buttons for sure. I suppose you could set up an array in your microcontroller with a place holder for every button so that a button push toggles the individual contents…
  • DAB
    DAB over 5 years ago

    John you get some very cool toys to play with.

     

    Keep safe and have fun.

     

    DAB

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    jw0752 over 5 years ago in reply to colporteur

    Hi Sean,

     

    Thanks for checking it out. There really isn't much to many of my posts but I get enthused or impressed about something and it is nice to have some friends to share it with. The gravely voice is a permanent part of the old man behind the camera. I am not sick but I sound like I am so now all I have to do is talk and people run for cover.

     

    John

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    colporteur over 5 years ago

    Thanks for the electronics interlude. The gravelly voice overdub was a nice touchimage

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    jw0752 over 5 years ago in reply to fmilburn

    Hi Frank,

     

    Thanks for the ideas. Most of the time things like this switch bank don't get used by me but they always give me a thinking exercise as I try to come up with applications and then try to solve the implementation problems. Tonight as I walked downtown and back for exercise I worked on the problem and the walk seemed to go by faster than usual.

     

    John

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    fmilburn over 5 years ago

    Hi John,

     

    That is a heavy duty bank of buttons for sure.  I suppose you could set up an array in your microcontroller with a place holder for every button so that a button push toggles the individual contents of the array.  That would allow multiple lights to be controlled.  You could use it as gross overkill digital control to incrementally set the output of a light or the volume on your radio :-).  Maybe some kind of range switch for an instrument.  Thanks for posting a fun piece of equipment.

     

    Frank

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