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  • Date Created: 4 Sep 2016 6:47 AM Date Created
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Shop Tips -  Intrusive Meter Probe

jw0752
jw0752
4 Sep 2016

I frequently work on circuit boards from Dental Equipment. Since these circuit boards are often used in wet or humid environments the manufacturers like to coat the boards in a thick layer of epoxy or other hard sealant. Probing these boards has always been a challenge as my meter probes would not penetrate the epoxy and I would get false readings on the components under test. The usual method for working with boards like this is to use probe tips that are very sharp and to push hard until a reading is registering on the meter. The sharper the tip the faster they dull and break and it is a nuisance to have to be constantly sharpening. In addition once you have sharpened and the nice nickel coating is gone the underlying brass is way to soft to hold a point. The final frustration with these very sharp tips is that it is easy to get stuck by them.

 

Tonight I assembled some parts and made some tips that solve the problem of penetrating the epoxy, are not dangerously sharp, are very durable, and are easily replaceable. To do this I am going to adapt another piece of Dental technology, the drill or bur that is used to cut tooth material. One particular bur numbered 557 is a good fit for my needs:

 

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The 557 bur is about 1.5 mm in diameter and a little less than 2 cm long. The tip of the bur that usually cuts the tooth material is made of tungsten carbide and has flutes along its sides and has a sharp star pattern on the tip itself. My plan is to make a chuck for the dental burs and mount the chuck on a meter probe handle. I will have wires coming from the chucks back to pin jacks which will accept the tips of my normal meter probes. Now when I need to probe a board covered in epoxy I will attach the new probes to the meter probes and use the dental burs as the tips. Here is how the fabrication came together. Please excuse my poor machining which is 50% having very cheap tools and 50% having a poor machinist. Here is a picture of the assembled probe tip:

 

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I have taken a piece of solid brass rod and threaded it so that it will screw into my probe handle. I next drilled a 1.5 mm hole down the center to accommodate the bur. Finally I cross drilled and tapped a hole for a set screw to retain the bur. Here are all the parts for the probe extensions before and after assembly;

 

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Placing the bur on the epoxy above the pad or component that I want to probe and with light pressure and a slight twist the sharp points of the bur cut down to the metal and a dependable reading is obtained on the meter. These burs are very common and probably can be purchased from any dentist. You will find that even used burs will work well as the dentist uses the flutes on the sides to cut and we are mainly interested in the star flutes on the tip. The bur shaft is made of steel and the tips are tungsten carbide. This material has a higher resistance than the usual metal used for probe tips. My probe extensions and tips added about 0.1 ohm of series resistance which I can mentally add into my readings. It of course doesn't impact the voltage readings.

 

John

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  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 9 years ago +6
    Here is one more iteration of the idea. I have made adapters to go one the tips of my meter probes and eliminated the extra wire. John
  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp +6
    Hi Rachael, Thank you very much for the report on how the non-slip tips made your measurement easier. I am still enthused about them and I continue to try to show them to people who I believe would find…
  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 9 years ago +5
    Update to this Blog: I have continued to work on this idea and to refine it. The goals that I had for this iteration of the idea are to modify a set of meter test probes so that the probe itself has a…
  • Robert Peter Oakes
    Robert Peter Oakes over 8 years ago in reply to jw0752

    Hi John, Sorry I though I had replied to you, yes indeed I have and there great, I keep them handy for when I need "Break Through" capabilities

    Regards

    Peter

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    Robert Peter Oakes over 8 years ago in reply to mcb1

    That is pretty typical of Dave though, speak first then discover where you put your foot in it image

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    jw0752 over 8 years ago in reply to ntewinkel

    Hi Nico

     

    Yes that was very encouraging. Knowing how bad it could have gone I summoned my wife and head cheerleader to stand next to me as I watched the critique for the first time. I can see where i could have done a better job of giving him more and better instructions on how they work to make the job of testing and probing easier but if he actually tries them out on his bench he will quickly figure it out for himself. Thanks for your support.

     

    John

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    mcb1 over 8 years ago in reply to ntewinkel

    he said a couple of times he would buy them!

    he would now he has a free set. .... Typical bloody Aussie.

     

    jw0752

    The shortened version looks great.

    Dave did miss the physics involved (meter probe plus retainer) and IMO the length is not too large.

    It allows better access in many situations and with the non slip feature you really don't need to have your fingers that close.

     

    Hobby or not, they are a success.

     

    Cheers

    Mark

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    jw0752 over 8 years ago in reply to Robert Peter Oakes

    Hi Peter,

    Thank you for posting a link to the eevblog video of Dave Jones about the probe tips. Have you ever had a chance to try out the prototypes that I sent you? The ones you have are similar to the latest design but of course when I made yours I was using a set screw to retain the tip and to secure the adapter to the probe. Since I sent yours I have also moved to the smaller diameter 0.8 mm tips for most electronics work. I am still selling the larger 1.2 mm tips but primarily for use on electricians meters.

    John

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