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  • Author Author: jw0752
  • Date Created: 13 Sep 2016 5:52 AM Date Created
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Tree Roots in the Sewer Pipe

jw0752
jw0752
13 Sep 2016

Earlier this summer my son-in-law John and daughter found themselves with a bad problem in the basement of their home. Tree roots had gotten into the sewer main leading from their home and one day the water stopped draining. Unfortunately the water backed up onto their newly installed laminate wood floor and before the disaster was over much of the floor had to be replaced. Last weekend, while at our home for a Labor Day get together, John asked if I could come up with anything that would give him a warning should the roots grow back. I would love to have John come over and do some electronics with me but he is very busy with his work as well as being in the Air Force Reserve which takes up a lot of time. I decided that I would have to get the ball rolling and I will probably have to do much of the work on my own but this is something that he really needs and perhaps I can get the project to the point where he can come over and assemble the system like a kit.

 

Here is the schematic plan that I came up with to provide a simple alarm for the backing up of water in the sewer. Fortunately he has a clean out situated at the low point in the system where we can put a couple probes that can normally sit above drain water level but will be the first to be contacted with backup should the pipe become clogged again.

 

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The circuit will be powered with a 10V to 12V wall wart. There is a green power LED to confirm that the unit is on. The sensor interpretation circuit is a simple LM393 comparator that drives an N channel MOSFET which in turn powers a flashing LED and a Piezo buzzer which is pulsed at about 2 Hz by a 555 timer circuit. An SPDT toggle switch allows the operator to turn off the audio alarm but this also turns on a red LED which gives notice that the audio circuit is no longer on line. This circuit has been bread boarded and tested using plain water in a beaker.

 

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When power is applied to the circuit but the circuit to the sensor is open we get only the Green Power light. See below.

 

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Connection of the wire to the sensor probes whose ends are in water triggers the alarm which powers the RED / BLUE flasher LED and the buzzer. Imagine you can hear the beep  beep  beep ...

 

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Since the beep beep beep drives me crazy I have switched the toggle and the beeping stops but the red warning LED is now lit and since the water condition is still present the Flasher ID continues to flash.

 

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I will have to wait for John to find time to come over to OK the continuation of this project but since I had some extra time this evening I decided to begin the process of blogging about it. I will add to the blog right through to the finished unit if it goes any further than these preliminaries. Since the problem of backing up water could be a universal problem and this solution is not complicated feel free to make one for yourself and post a picture of your unit so I can see what you made.

 

John W.

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 8 years ago +2
    Do you have the risk that the probes corrode in their harsh environment - and become non-conductive when the water touches them?
  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 8 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps +2
    Hi Jan, You make a very good point. My bench test probes are made of copper and would corrode but for the real deal I will cut sections from an old stainless steel car antenna and use them. The stainless…
  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 8 years ago +1
    We once had a similar issue. They used clay pipes and at some point the roots had found their way into a joint that had cracked. The drainlayer used a cutter (which is similar to a hole saw) and fed it…
  • phoenixcomm
    phoenixcomm over 8 years ago

    John, in my old house it had Orangeburg pipe that was broken.. According to tech "I had roots, and paper on the broken part" the rest of the sanitary line was fine.  We dug it up.. After he cleaned it out. we put back in two sweep T's back to back.( green arrows facing each other)  for clean outs. one for the house the other for the line. Two rubber clamping things and finished.  That must have been in the late 90's.image

    Fins

    Cris

     

     

    btw that was a crappy job.

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    jw0752 over 8 years ago in reply to DAB

    Sorry DAB,

     

    I guess D_Hersey inspires me.

     

    John

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    DAB over 8 years ago in reply to jw0752

    John, is that anyway to describe people you know?

     

    DAB

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 8 years ago in reply to jw0752

    Been in Chicago, and like it *a lot*

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    jw0752 over 8 years ago in reply to D_Hersey

    Hi Don

     

    I have to admit I have never connected the use of a 555 with Wisconsin but if you say so. Frankly things are pretty good here except we have a slight infection of Republicans. I've been to Manitowoc and it is really a very interesting place to visit. I particularly liked the WWII submarine exhibit that allowed us to enter and look around. I guess they had a shipyard that built submarines there. One of our main industries in Wisconsin is tourism which includes a high percentage of Chicagoans fleeing the bullets and violence. We provide a respite for their PTSD before they have to return. Actually I love Chicago. The Mrs. and I often go there and stay downtown so we can see and enjoy the food and the culture. Of all the large cities Chicago is my favorite.

     

    John

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