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Powering 2 12V Electromagnets

gub11
gub11 over 9 years ago

I am still trying to understand ohms law, which looked simple at first, and it probably is simple, but when i look at charts that have the laws for resistance voltage wattage and current, I get confused, because often times you are given 2 variables, how do you get all four?  My main question is what voltage would I need to power 2 12v electromagnet, would i need a 12v psu or 24v, or something in between?

Thanks

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 9 years ago in reply to gub11 +2
    You should never have an automatic lock on your bedroom door (especially if under 90 years old) for the following reasons: 1) It puts off visitors 2) In case of fire you will not be rescued 3) Everyone…
  • gadget.iom
    gadget.iom over 9 years ago in reply to jack.chaney56 +1
    Jack Chaney wrote: 12v supply for your power, and link the magnets in parallel. I would agree
  • jack.chaney56
    jack.chaney56 over 9 years ago in reply to michaelkellett +1
    Gabriel's question and the solutions that I have seen are typical of a great discussion, because the search for the solution is uncovering more requirements. This is not just good engineering, but great…
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    0 gub11 over 9 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    I totally agree. Im not doing it cuz I'm a teenager who wants to keep his parents out of his room, but I am a teenager.

    I'm doing it because

    1) I've never worked with magnets, so it seems like a good way to learn

    2) when I'm playing a video game or I'm talking to a friend, it's annoying when people enter without knocking, so it will only be locked when I'm sitting at my desk, obviously unlocked when I go to bed.

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    0 Former Member over 9 years ago in reply to gub11

    The solenoid you've got listed would certainly work, although you'd be designing a custom system around it; which can be frustrating.  The system that Lupe listed would also be good.

     

    I didn't find anything similar on the Newark site, so I went to one of the better "hobbyist" sites.  The solenoid door latch is about $15US, so pretty modest.  The full-on product is about $45US.  Another benefit to buying from this vendor is that they are great about documentation and instructions for use.  The solenoid latch (P/N 1512) is designed to be locked at all times, with a 1-15 second open period.  It likely wouldn't last too long if you wanted it to remain open most of the time.  The second option, mounted on the outside of the door with a housing for the latch (even just a U-bracket on the doorframe) would likely be better if you want it open most of the time.

     

    Lock-style Solenoid - 12VDC

    PRODUCT ID: 1512

     

    Solenoids are basically electromagnets: they are made of a big coil of copper wire with an armature (a slug of metal) in the middle. When the coil is...


     

    https://www.adafruit.com/products/2579

     

    Lockitron Motorized Door Lock Body

    PRODUCT ID: 2579

     

    Build your own smart lock with the Lockitron motorized door lock enclosure! Normally, a Lockitron has a built-in WiFi system for locking &...

     

    Building a solenoid yourself isn't difficult; although it is time-consuming to wind your own coil.  You'd also have to do at least rough calculations for whatever power you wanted to use, coil windings, and steel armature mass.  The power and control systems are a bit more challenging.  Working with magnets can be a whole lot of fun.  Working with electromagnets can be even more fun, but you have to be cognizant of power and the environment.  If you're using power from an outlet (called "mains power") you're likely working with 120VAC and a 15A current source.  That's way into the potentially lethal range; and you'd first have to convert it to DC anyway.  There are plenty of stories of fires started by an electromagnet with some of the coil insulation worn or burned away, resulting in a short.You also need to be well aware of what is around the electromagnet.  Back in the days of floppy disks I had a buddy who'd take work home and put his briefcase down on the couch.  His wife though it would be romantic to put stereo speakers up against the couch.  They turned on the stereo that evening and the disks were hosed from the electromagnet in an 18" woofer.  Magnetic field strength falls off as the square of the distance; so things don't have to be kept too far away, but you certainly don't want them too close.  All commercial products have some kind of shielding to limit the unintended field consequences.
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    0 jack.chaney56 over 9 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Gabriel's question and the solutions that I have seen are typical of a great discussion, because the search for the solution is uncovering more requirements.  This is not just good engineering, but great engineering.

     

    Something to recognize with the solenoid solution, is the noise factor. Most solenoids in the configuration described (normal withdrawn) when in an activated state, are constantly fighting with the tension spring. Fluctuations in power, however minimal, cause the lug (the metal bar) to vibrate creating a buzzing. The limitation of this behavior is reduced as the price of the solenoid goes up.  The described environment (friends talking) leads me to believe that a constant buzz in the background is not desired, and the budget for the solution does not seem to be realistic for elimination of the distraction. I actually like Michael's statement, suggesting, examining the problem again to see if there is an alternative solution to a lock on the door.

     

    Here's wishing you luck with your quest,

    Jack

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