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I want to make an ultrasonic air flow meter. Which Arduino board is suitable for it?

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Former Member over 11 years ago

Hi,

 

I want to make an ultrasonic air flow meter. Which Arduino board is suitable for it? I would use two ultrasonic sensor to measure the difference of transmit time to calculate the air flow velocity. So I also want to know which circuit / circuit diagram I can use to connect between the ultrasonic sensors and the Arduino board. 

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 10 years ago in reply to Former Member +1
    Kelvin, suppose your tube is 15cm diameter and the spacing between the transducers along the tube is 20cm (sounds OK for a cooker hood chimney). The path length will be 36cm so the sound will take v. approx…
  • Problemchild
    0 Problemchild over 10 years ago

    The honest answer is almost any Arduino board will be OK the more important thing here will be the choice of transducers.

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  • Problemchild
    0 Problemchild over 10 years ago in reply to michaelwylie

    Do these Ultrasonic systems offer much greater accuracy than the heated element types like cars use for the MAF sensors?

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    0 michaelkellett over 10 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Kelvin, suppose your tube is 15cm diameter and the spacing between the transducers along the tube is 20cm (sounds OK for  a cooker hood chimney). The path length will be 36cm so the sound will take v. approx 0.36/300 = 1.2mS.

    A typical (first one I found with a spec) cooker hood moves 486cubic meters of air per hour = 0.135 per second. The area of the 15cm tube is 0.017 m^2 so the air velocity is 7.6m/s.

    Only 20/36 of you path is speeded up by the air moving so the difference in times will be 1.2mS*(15.2/300)*20/36 = 33.7 uS.

    If you use a 40kHz transducer each cycle takes 25uS so your full scale sensitivity is 1 sensor cycle time.

    You will need to estimate the transit time to within less than 1uS - which will be very very difficult and impossible without additional (to an Arduino) hardware.

     

    Here is a link to a commercial instrument, they use transducers at frequencies from 500kHz to 8MHz.

     

    FLUXUSRegistered F601 - The Portable Multi-Functional Flowmeter | FLEXIM

     

    MK

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  • michaelkellett
    0 michaelkellett over 10 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Here's a link to a Maxim chip with lots of info:

     

     

    http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/MAX35101.pdf

     

    In the first paragraph:

     

    With a time measurement accuracy of 20ps and automatic

    differential time-of-flight (TOF) measurement, this

    device makes for simplified computation of liquid flow.

    Early edge detection ensures measurements are made.........

     

    MK

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  • Problemchild
    0 Problemchild over 10 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Good one Michael, It shows that it's the right sensing you should be focusing on rather than the processing.

     

    Kelvin, is there a budget for this I'm sure some of these fine devices are outside a small project budget  ?

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  • Robert Peter Oakes
    0 Robert Peter Oakes over 10 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    and the chip is only 15$ one off, it sounds expensive till you realize it supports the temperature measurement and compensation too which is essential for accurate measurement

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  • Problemchild
    0 Problemchild over 10 years ago in reply to Robert Peter Oakes

    That's not bad for what it's doing Peter, Did you find a price for the sensors as well?

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  • Robert Peter Oakes
    0 Robert Peter Oakes over 10 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    I did not, I was assuming that you could use some of the basic transducers from E14 or EBay

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    0 Problemchild over 10 years ago in reply to Robert Peter Oakes

    I think this is the key think to be looking at for his design the CPU is pretty secondary to the Sensor and electronics sid.

    Would be nice if the cheap ones work OK though! image

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  • Robert Peter Oakes
    0 Robert Peter Oakes over 10 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    short of getting samples it would not be easy to tell

     

    I can get sample chip from TI without an issue as my business is registered with them, I would just have to get sensors and time image

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