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how to make a 555 FM radio transmitter?

nschreiber0813
nschreiber0813 over 11 years ago

Dear: Element 14

First of all I would like to say is sorry about my last post. My last post about voltage regulation was too difficult for me and that's what it really came down to. So I have decided to give up on that project and start a new one. First of all I am building a FM radio transmitter with a 555 timer. In order to build a 555 timer fm radio you need a capacitor. But I am not sure what farads of a capacitor I need. More or less I am not sure I what I know is correct. I think according to my math I need a 18000000 Farad capacitor which is really impossible to get to. I want my radio transmitter to broadcast up to 108 MHz through 88 MHz which is your basic broadcast signal. But am I right. You see here is my math, one Ampere times MHz divided by six because I am using six volts. Any questions ask me or look at my diagram. Thanks!!!

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  • D_Hersey
    D_Hersey over 10 years ago +3
    Well, if I were on a desert island with this problem, which I am not except by way of allegory and empathy, and it was my binary choice, [doncha just love hypotheticals!] it would be my druthers to be…
  • johnbeetem
    johnbeetem over 10 years ago in reply to nschreiber0813 +2 suggested
    Noah Schreiber wrote: I suggest you take a look at the 555 data sheets. Here's the list of 555-like timers at Texas Instruments: Timers - Products - TI.com . If you look at the column labeled "Frequency…
  • johnbeetem
    johnbeetem over 10 years ago in reply to ntewinkel +2
    Nico teWinkel wrote: On the other hand, I did find this article (among many others) on how to make an FM transmitter using an NE555 timer: Using 555 as FM transmitter Circuit Diagram | Electronic…
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    0 nschreiber0813 over 10 years ago

    Dear: Element 14

    I have tried every equation I could find on wikipedia but apparently none of the links you sent me has a link to the math or says what the math is behind a 555 timer all it says is how to use it except for Neil's link. See I found Neil's link helpful but the only thing I have against it is it doesn't take in MHz only Hz. Can you help me find the algebra equation for how many Farads I need for my 555 timer and help me double check it because right now I am lost.

    From: Noahimage

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    0 ntewinkel over 10 years ago in reply to nschreiber0813

    Hi Noah,

     

    The calculator from Neil's link will calculate up to kHz. The reason it won't do MHz is because as John pointed out in a comment above: you can't do that with a 555 timer.

     

    According to the data sheet, the NE555 you are using has a maximum frequency of 100kHz.

     

    According to Wikipedia most of the world has FM radio in the range of 87.5 MHz to 108.0 MHz. Japan starts at 76MHz. That's starting at 76,000 kHz or 76,000,000 Hz.

    So that's about a magnitude too high for the 555 to handle.

     

    On the other hand, I did find this article (among many others) on how to make an FM transmitter using an NE555 timer:

    Using 555 as FM transmitter Circuit Diagram | Electronic Circuits Diagram

     

    John and Neil, for my education - am I understanding this correctly? the spec sheet says it can go up to 100kHz (0.1MHz), FM radio here needs at least 87.5 MHz, yet there are plenty of articles and schematics out there claiming to use just a single 555 chip with some passives to make a short range transmitter.

     

    Noah, What exactly is your question?

     

    Earlier you replied to me that it was not "how do I build an FM transmitter" because you can do that most easily by using that RaspberryPi you said you have.

    Now it looks like the question is "How do I build an FM transmitter using only an NE555 chip with a few capacitors and resistors", but there are so many articles and schematics available for that, that I doubt that's the question or your Google searches would have given you all you needed.

     

    Cheers,

    -Nico

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    0 ntewinkel over 10 years ago in reply to nschreiber0813

    Hi Noah,

     

    The calculator from Neil's link will calculate up to kHz. The reason it won't do MHz is because as John pointed out in a comment above: you can't do that with a 555 timer.

     

    According to the data sheet, the NE555 you are using has a maximum frequency of 100kHz.

     

    According to Wikipedia most of the world has FM radio in the range of 87.5 MHz to 108.0 MHz. Japan starts at 76MHz. That's starting at 76,000 kHz or 76,000,000 Hz.

    So that's about a magnitude too high for the 555 to handle.

     

    On the other hand, I did find this article (among many others) on how to make an FM transmitter using an NE555 timer:

    Using 555 as FM transmitter Circuit Diagram | Electronic Circuits Diagram

     

    John and Neil, for my education - am I understanding this correctly? the spec sheet says it can go up to 100kHz (0.1MHz), FM radio here needs at least 87.5 MHz, yet there are plenty of articles and schematics out there claiming to use just a single 555 chip with some passives to make a short range transmitter.

     

    Noah, What exactly is your question?

     

    Earlier you replied to me that it was not "how do I build an FM transmitter" because you can do that most easily by using that RaspberryPi you said you have.

    Now it looks like the question is "How do I build an FM transmitter using only an NE555 chip with a few capacitors and resistors", but there are so many articles and schematics available for that, that I doubt that's the question or your Google searches would have given you all you needed.

     

    Cheers,

    -Nico

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    0 nschreiber0813 over 10 years ago in reply to ntewinkel

    Dear: Nico along with Element 14

    Wow good question. I had a lot of fun but now I am stuck on a lot of questions. Thank you all for your help and now it appears I need a better ocillator so thank you for all your help. So it appears it wishful thinking you could do this with a 555 timer maybe a little bit of screwing around will solve my problem so thank you all.

    From: Noahimage

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    0 ntewinkel over 10 years ago in reply to nschreiber0813

    You're not just going to leave us all guessing, are you? What are you trying to build?

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    0 nschreiber0813 over 10 years ago in reply to ntewinkel

    Dear: Nico

    What are you kidding me I believe the question is what I am not going to build. Of course I am going to build an FM transmitter but I would like it to do the following.

    • Have a range of more than 1 mile.
    • Have a frequency of exactly 108 - 87.5 MHz.
    • Have an SD card slot.
    • Have input and output USB for listening to the music.
    • Have an easy to use tweak-able software with arduino.
    • And that's only what I came up with so far.

    From: Noah

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    0 ntewinkel over 10 years ago in reply to nschreiber0813

    Hi Noah,

    That's a great project!

     

    Other than the first requirement of > 1 mile, the RaspberryPi version seems to have all the features you want (except for it being Arduino).

    Coursera.org has a great course on Python right now that should help a lot for programming the Pi. Completing a course like that should make the software easily tweak able. I'm actually taking a Python course there right now because Python seems like a nice handy language to have.

     

    You could probably add an amplification circuit similar to this instructable to increase the range. That instructable boosts it to 10 meters, but I'm guessing it will be possible to build a similar circuit that boosts it more than that.

     

    ps, having a range of more than 1 mile will most likely make it illegal in most parts of the world.

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    0 ntewinkel over 10 years ago in reply to nschreiber0813

    ps, Starting out with a transmitter that only transmits the signal for a few feet is a great first step to your project. For most projects you'll find it's a lot easier to go step by step rather than trying to do everything at once. Start small and simple and then make it bigger and better.

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    0 johnbeetem over 10 years ago in reply to ntewinkel

    Nico teWinkel wrote:

     

    On the other hand, I did find this article (among many others) on how to make an FM transmitter using an NE555 timer:

    Using 555 as FM transmitter Circuit Diagram | Electronic Circuits Diagram

     

    John and Neil, for my education - am I understanding this correctly? the spec sheet says it can go up to 100kHz (0.1MHz), FM radio here needs at least 87.5 MHz, yet there are plenty of articles and schematics out there claiming to use just a single 555 chip with some passives to make a short range transmitter.

    I'm not an RF expert, but I think what's going on in the 10 pF circuit is that you're hearing a harmonic of the frequency the 555 is really running at.  The 555 generates a square wave, which is very rich in harmonics: see Wikipedia.  The FM receiver is catching one of them, but it's so weak that you have a very short range.  It would be nice to hook up a 'scope to that 10 pF circuit and see what the square wave really looks like.

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    0 ntewinkel over 10 years ago in reply to johnbeetem

    Ah thank you, that would make sense. Plus since it doesn't specify a frequency and it doesn't send anything other than noise, I'm guessing it's not a very accurate frequency that it creates.

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