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how to make a 555 FM radio transmitter?

nschreiber0813
nschreiber0813 over 11 years ago

Dear: Element 14

First of all I would like to say is sorry about my last post. My last post about voltage regulation was too difficult for me and that's what it really came down to. So I have decided to give up on that project and start a new one. First of all I am building a FM radio transmitter with a 555 timer. In order to build a 555 timer fm radio you need a capacitor. But I am not sure what farads of a capacitor I need. More or less I am not sure I what I know is correct. I think according to my math I need a 18000000 Farad capacitor which is really impossible to get to. I want my radio transmitter to broadcast up to 108 MHz through 88 MHz which is your basic broadcast signal. But am I right. You see here is my math, one Ampere times MHz divided by six because I am using six volts. Any questions ask me or look at my diagram. Thanks!!!

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  • D_Hersey
    D_Hersey over 10 years ago +3
    Well, if I were on a desert island with this problem, which I am not except by way of allegory and empathy, and it was my binary choice, [doncha just love hypotheticals!] it would be my druthers to be…
  • johnbeetem
    johnbeetem over 10 years ago in reply to nschreiber0813 +2 suggested
    Noah Schreiber wrote: I suggest you take a look at the 555 data sheets. Here's the list of 555-like timers at Texas Instruments: Timers - Products - TI.com . If you look at the column labeled "Frequency…
  • johnbeetem
    johnbeetem over 10 years ago in reply to ntewinkel +2
    Nico teWinkel wrote: On the other hand, I did find this article (among many others) on how to make an FM transmitter using an NE555 timer: Using 555 as FM transmitter Circuit Diagram | Electronic…
  • Robert Peter Oakes
    0 Robert Peter Oakes over 10 years ago in reply to nschreiber0813

    Noah, you need to read up on the 555 timer chip, just Google 555 timer and you will find copious amounts of data, the chip has been around for well over 40 years

     

    here is a good place to start http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/555_timer_IC

     

    you will be hard pushed to get it running reliably at 88 to 108 Mhz, it may be possible but you would need to be very skilled at building RF Circuits, you would be better off starting with perhaps an AM radio then work up to it, but there is a lot of self study needed either way

     

    Good luck

     

    Peter

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    0 nschreiber0813 over 10 years ago in reply to Robert Peter Oakes

    Dear: Peter

    Wow Peter good resource. I found a few facts I already new and a few facts I didn't. I am still reading it right now so thank you. Also Peter I have drawn to the conclusion that my math was wrong. You see I have no idea where I got that high of a number so maybe I need a 18 pF capcitor. I am still checking to see if I am right and I am still reading that article right now so thank you.

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    0 nschreiber0813 over 10 years ago in reply to Robert Peter Oakes

    Dear: Peter

    Is this correct. One divided by 6 volts times two times the frequency which is 108 MHz times 10 K plus 2 times 10 K for each resistor in the circuit is about 123 milli farads am I correct or not? For more information look here.

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  • Robert Peter Oakes
    0 Robert Peter Oakes over 10 years ago in reply to nschreiber0813

    Nope, sorry, keep reading and testing

     

    Peter

     

    Sent from my iPhone

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  • nschreiber0813
    0 nschreiber0813 over 10 years ago in reply to Robert Peter Oakes

    Dear: Peter

    Peter I know I am wrong but I just double checking with you. If I were to use 4.7 K resistor for R1, if I were to use a 10 K resistor for R2, and if I want to broadcast at 108 MHz while still using the same equation above and I get this 38571.182685649119370528172792974 this must be some joke for the number of farads I need.

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    0 neilk over 10 years ago in reply to nschreiber0813

    Noah

    Something is seriously wrong with your understanding of basic Units: Hz, or in this case MHz, which is 1 Million Hz, Ohms, or in this case kOhms - 1 Thousand Ohms, and Farads - 1 Farad is HUGE......we normally deal in picoFarads up to 100s of microFarads.

     

    Please have a look at this tutorial; it SHOULD help:

     

    http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/waveforms/555_oscillator.html

     

    Best wishes

     

    Neil

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    0 nschreiber0813 over 10 years ago in reply to neilk

    Dear: Neil

    Thank you for that tutorial it cleared up a few things or at least I think it did. You should know I think I have the answer now or at least I think I do. 12 times .000000000108 equals .000000001296 hertz. Also Resistor 1 plus Resistor 2 times 2 equals 4.7 plus 20 times 1000 which equals 24700. Times .000000001296 times 24700 equals .000320112. Then .000320112 divided by 1 equals .000320112 and that is the answer. Please quote me on this.

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    0 neilk over 10 years ago in reply to nschreiber0813

    Sorry Noah, I can't follow your arithmentic!

     

    Have a look at this online calculator for 555 frequency:

     

    http://www.ohmslawcalculator.com/555_astable.php

     

    It should give you the understanding that 108Mhz from a simple 555 might NOT be achievable

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    0 johnbeetem over 10 years ago in reply to nschreiber0813

    Noah Schreiber wrote:

     

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    I suggest you take a look at the 555 data sheets.  Here's the list of 555-like timers at Texas Instruments: Timers - Products - TI.com.

     

    If you look at the column labeled "Frequency (Max)" you'll see that a standard LM555's maximum frequency is 0.1 MHz.  The fastest is the LMC555 CMOS Timer  at 3 MHz.  (LMC555 is great part -- operates from as little as 1.5V!)  But a 555 is nowhere near the 100 MHz you need for FM radio.

     

    If you go further and look at the data sheets, the first page of the LM555 states: "Timing from Microseconds through Hours".  Nothing at the nanosecond level.  The LMC555 states: "3 MHz Astable Frequency Capability".

     

    The equation you quote is for normal 555 operation where you're not pushing the limits of the part.  It's a simplified equation that ignores propagation delays through the part, which are on the order of 100s of nanoseconds.  As you approach the 555's limits, internal delays dominate and the equation is no longer valid.

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    0 nschreiber0813 over 10 years ago in reply to johnbeetem

    Dear: John

    Thank you for your advice. First of all I would like to say I am using 555 timer NE555P that should be good enough for what I am doing because it has a minimum hertz of .1 MHz. Also I am looking at the technical specifications to see if my equation is right so thank you. If I am to ask a question about the 555 timer specifications or equation I will make sure to ask you so thank you.
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