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RF communication through salt water

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Former Member over 9 years ago

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I'm working on a project where I need to transmit RF signals through salt water. The distance in water will be max. 5m (16ft). I was thinking going for a ATmega build with the RF433Mhz modules of something, but don't know if that will work in saltwater. I have tried to do some reasearch on this subject but couldn't find much. Does anyone know some good research on this or can suggest other build it would be much appreciated.

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  • kas.lewis
    kas.lewis over 9 years ago in reply to dougw +3
    dougw I'm starting to wonder if you are not the most interesting guy around here. The projects you've worked on, the experience you have. You definitely sound like someone us noobs should be listening…
  • jc2048
    jc2048 over 9 years ago +2
    You can do it by calculation. The conductivity of the salt water will allow you to derive the 'skin depth' for the frequency of transmission. Each skin depth is an attenuation of 8.6dB (it's 1/e, by definition…
  • jc2048
    jc2048 over 9 years ago in reply to clem57 +1
    If the water were pure there would be no conduction, so shielding by skin effect goes away, but the water is a dielectric so it would still absorb some of the radiation. Overall, the water molecule is…
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  • dougw
    dougw over 9 years ago

    What bandwidth does your signal need?

    It is much easier to propagate low frequencies - so choose the lowest feasible frequency.

    Frequencies in the 3KHz-30KHz range penetrate about 20m.

    Frequencies in 3-300 Hz range can penetrate hundreds of meters.

    I did some work at about 15 Hz that had no trouble over short distances, but you don't get much data rate at that frequency.

    You might investigate using sonar - I have used 5 MHz sonar transducers.

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  • dougw
    dougw over 9 years ago

    What bandwidth does your signal need?

    It is much easier to propagate low frequencies - so choose the lowest feasible frequency.

    Frequencies in the 3KHz-30KHz range penetrate about 20m.

    Frequencies in 3-300 Hz range can penetrate hundreds of meters.

    I did some work at about 15 Hz that had no trouble over short distances, but you don't get much data rate at that frequency.

    You might investigate using sonar - I have used 5 MHz sonar transducers.

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    kas.lewis over 9 years ago in reply to dougw

    dougw I'm starting to wonder if you are not the most interesting guy around here. The projects you've worked on, the experience you have. You definitely sound like someone us noobs should be listening to more.

     

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    Former Member over 9 years ago in reply to dougw

    The data rate shouldn't be a problem. I will send a few bytes now and then from the device over water to the submerged reciver. I am conserned about the antenna length with use of low frequency. The submerged device must be realy small and can't have a very big antenna. Can you share some more knowladge from the projects you have done regarding this?

     

    Kjell

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  • dougw
    dougw over 9 years ago in reply to Former Member

    A normal antenna for these ultra low frequencies would by gigantic. Try modulating the voltage between a coupe of conductive plates separated as widely as possible. Note that if you don't insulate the plates, you will get significant current flowing through the salt water.

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