From the CS Forum on element14, it does not appear that Altium has any participation, ie interest, in their product or their users. Maybe I am getting the wrong impression from what I don't see. My understanding is that CS is an element14 - Altium partnership. It was and is a good, no, great idea then and now. A lot of small designers and design teams cannot afford Designer. But, CS needs to keep up a little with shortcomings. I don't think any of us are trying to secretly make CS into Designer. But CS, if it is to survive, needs to keep up with at least Eagle and KiCAD and fix the obvious functional holes and things that are just broken. Convince us that Altium and element14 are in this for the long-haul -- please. Jon