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14rhb
14rhb over 4 years ago

To make a point on Renesas RX72N Envision Kit | element14 |without detracting from the subject matter of compilers, GUI or board capability I have broken my thoughts out here regarding who is attracted to roadtesting such embedded development boards and hence the licensing of software.

 

I believe more roadtesters are keen hobbyists or students and therefore have a limited budget preventing them purchasing the niche software required to continue using these products. Instead they rely on the free or time limited software available from the vendor. Once the roadtest is complete that software can expire quite quickly and the board gets little use afterwards. This is a pity as the board never appears again in future projects or blog posts. The board's roadtest also often consists of showing the demo software only, perhaps with a few changes.

 

Conversely, professional developers will likely buy development boards as part of their companies work plan and the boss would also likely agree to paying for the software, supporting license agreements over the period of the project. All the testing and development is undertaken in that team and the end goal is to make money by selling a product, and such people have less time available to come onto E14 to roadtest and review.

 

I'd like to see more open source support for such embedded boards with manufacturers perhaps issuing licenses to their software to allow the 'hobbyist' end of the roadtesters to continue using the product. Should they create something appealing then the manufacturer would likely benefit from the increased orders for the hardware itself? However being able to identify useful open source solutions that roadtesters can use and build skills in should be encouraged.

 

Just in case this post reads as a case to stop roadtests or for manufacturers to stop sponsoring them, please read on ! I'm confident the roadtests are read by professional developers when picking out new products for their development - so very useful still. I also need to add, IMO many of the keen hobbyists and students take the knowledge gained from roadtesting back into companies, maybe as their day job or when they start a career. Regardless of which end of that skills and application scale the member is at, all the comments in roadtests etc are invaluable, available for all to see/learn from and action accordingly. My last point is that I have actually bought several pieces of test equipment and dev boards for colleagues at my work following roadtests by other members on E14, although I class myself as a hobbyist  image.

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 4 years ago +9
    Here's a few random thoughts on the subject: Some companies have always tried hard to lock you in to their own tools although most seem to be trying to reduce the cost of development. In some product areas…
  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 4 years ago in reply to michaelkellett +8
    michaelkellett wrote: ... I do find it very puzzling that some vendors offer Roadtest stuff with short time limited licenses - not just dev boards but instruments as well. Some Roadtests go on giving product…
  • misaz
    misaz over 4 years ago +7
    I agree that license for compiler should be included with roadtest or provided for free for everyone developing non-commercial projects. For example Segger Emebeded Studio (which I am using now as part…
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  • cstanton
    cstanton over 4 years ago

    I'd like to see more open source support for such embedded boards with manufacturers perhaps issuing licenses to their software to allow the 'hobbyist' end of the roadtesters to continue using the product. Should they create something appealing then the manufacturer would likely benefit from the increased orders for the hardware itself? However being able to identify useful open source solutions that roadtesters can use and build skills in should be encouraged.

    I'd love people who have the capability to roadtest products to see it as an opportunity to support the hardware with open source in mind as well, however what ends up happening, even with hardware that is designed with open source in mind (beagleboard?) is that people expect some level of "I don't want to have to work this out myself" but that fundamentally ends up being the situation when something is open source - because, no-one wants to do it for free, or give something away for free, and it only tends to come to fruition when someone has a devout interest or dedication in bringing it to everyone for the altruism for it.

     

    I believe we also have a side difficulty when we're given products to roadtest in that we look at it and go... "you realise you can't only give us the microcontroller/hardware board for this right? you can't expect roadtesters to have everything necessary to test this properly?" and it's likely software support is overlooked in some cases, or the supplier realises having an engineer test the kit is a bit more involved and needs the infrastructure.

     

    What was the term coined these days? Software as a service or similar?

     

    I personally find it frustrating either way, and maybe I went off on a tangent image

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    14rhb over 4 years ago in reply to cstanton

    No tangent...all good points. Maybe also a bit hypocritical of me spouting on about the need for open source when I've never participated in directly contributing to an open source project myself (mainly because I don't think I have the required skill level). The word 'devout' sums these people up perfectly, as I imagine they spend hundreds of hours developing, modifying and supporting their creation so that others can use it for free. We need a global day of thanks to recognise their work.

     

    Hopefully some manufacturer's will read these kind of comments and get a better understanding of what engineers desire in their toolsets.

     

    Lastly a note to sponsors: please carry on kindly providing the great boards etc for roadtesting regardless of your licensing terms of your software.....we'll work something out in the tests image

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    14rhb over 4 years ago in reply to cstanton

    No tangent...all good points. Maybe also a bit hypocritical of me spouting on about the need for open source when I've never participated in directly contributing to an open source project myself (mainly because I don't think I have the required skill level). The word 'devout' sums these people up perfectly, as I imagine they spend hundreds of hours developing, modifying and supporting their creation so that others can use it for free. We need a global day of thanks to recognise their work.

     

    Hopefully some manufacturer's will read these kind of comments and get a better understanding of what engineers desire in their toolsets.

     

    Lastly a note to sponsors: please carry on kindly providing the great boards etc for roadtesting regardless of your licensing terms of your software.....we'll work something out in the tests image

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 4 years ago in reply to 14rhb

    14rhb  wrote:

     

    ... spouting on about the need for open source when I've never participated in directly contributing to an open source project myself ...

    My claim to fame: https://apache.googlesource.com/ant/+/refs/heads/master/CONTRIBUTORS

     

    I actually removed lines of code instead of writing something image. I flagged a change that caused a regression and what not-needed lines of a newly submitted funtionality caused it.

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