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Software roadtests?

neuromodulator
neuromodulator over 4 years ago

As engineers we rely a lot on software tools, and many of them are not free. I wonder if the roadtest program could also include software.

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    neuromodulator over 4 years ago

    I recently got a 30 day trial license of Keysight's "PathWave RF Synthesis". The tool is pretty amazing and I'll probably miss it once the trial ends. This got me thinking that it would be nice if software could also be roadtested. I suspect some of these tools would get as many applications as test equipment (i.e, Who wouldn't like to own a license of Altium Designer?).

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    neuromodulator over 4 years ago

    I recently got a 30 day trial license of Keysight's "PathWave RF Synthesis". The tool is pretty amazing and I'll probably miss it once the trial ends. This got me thinking that it would be nice if software could also be roadtested. I suspect some of these tools would get as many applications as test equipment (i.e, Who wouldn't like to own a license of Altium Designer?).

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    shabaz over 4 years ago in reply to neuromodulator

    Hi Miguel,

    From my perspective I think it's a good idea, if it's executed well. I wouldn't want to apply to RoadTest software that would expire! There's a huge learning curve to get the most out of software, and it's a waste if that learning cannot be continued beyond (say) a year.

    Personally I would not be interested in roadtesting Altium Designer, the orgs where I have worked have used alternative products, but the Keysight suites are fantastic, but at unobtainable prices for individuals. In reality, some classroom training would also be needed, so it probably needs more commitment from suppliers to organize this, otherwise not all reviews will be as useful as they could. For example, when I reviewed (can't recall if it was a RoadTest or not) XMOS devices and tools, I got a free invite to their HQ in Bristol UK, and attended a training class. It helped loads to make good use of the processor and software tools.

    But, also some engineering software is about as niche/specific as it gets, there may be few alternatives, so regardless of how easy/hard it is to drive the software, regardless of bugs, it may be essential to use such software and any review on UI experience for instance, will be very useless, it is what it is, and if you need that software to perform the task, then so be it. Any review of those products, that focussed on (say) install experience, or UI, would be very superficial.

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    shabaz over 4 years ago in reply to neuromodulator

    Just realized Pathwave RF is the new name for Genesys.. fantastic software, but very few people would be able to review it in a way to do any justice. The users of the software won't necessarily be people who can or are prepared to write it up, otherwise there would be plenty of material on it. I don't want to sound negative, because I too would love the opportunity to review and own such software, but it's setting up the manufacturer, and the reviewers, for disappointment if expectations are very different from reality once they see the review or the software respectively, where there's a mismatch between what is required and what occurs during the process.

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    neuromodulator over 4 years ago in reply to shabaz

    UI is relevant and I think it should be mentioned as it affects your productivity. It could be argued that all PCB designing tools are more or less equivalent in the sense that you can build the same PCBs with any of them. But one may allow you to build the PCB in half of the time than another one. Now, UI of course is just one dimension of many others, of course the main focus of a review should be the features and the core functionality of the tool.

     

    The niche specific software were there are no alternatives of course would not be a good candidate for a roadtest I think, because of the reasons you just mentioned.

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    neuromodulator over 4 years ago in reply to shabaz

    Bad reviews are always a risk for companies, but how much of a risk is it really? Lets take RF Synthesis as example. In the worst case, if the review has no value to them, unless the software ends up being sold to someone who otherwise would have payed for the software, the company's only loss was the time one of their employees had to spend to get the software into the program.

    On the other side, software usually doesn't get as much exposure as hardware, so it eventually can have higher impact than hardware roadtests. If you check eevblog for instance, zillions of posts can be found on hardware, but not so much on software. Also many times the only place where you can find info on software is in the manufacturer's page, a little bit more exposure eventually has a good impact.

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    shabaz over 4 years ago in reply to neuromodulator

    I think this is a low bar, if the reviews are poor or miss the point. Taking your example, what if someone who reviews the software, spends time on the unboxing and UI, and then complains that it is useless compared to Altium Designer? That's a disappointment for the reviewer, the manufacturer, and everyone reading it, and who benefits? Just because the RF Synthesis software can allow you to draw circuit traces, it's a means to an end, to get the job RF task done, not to replace PCB CAD software. If you can find the right reviewers and find them the training to use the software (this is not a UI issue, beyond a superficial one - the UI merely needs to be adequate - it still won't replace training) then this is great.

    With more popular tools such as PCB CAD as you mention, there have been RoadTest reviews in the past - I definitely recall an EAGLE CAD roadtest, and I think it was popular, and generated useful content. I just don't think it's the same with a lot of the Keysight software, that definitely needs training or finding the types of engineers who not only know how to use it, but are also willing to write up a report. I think there was a Matlab RoadTest a while back too, and that has slightly more mass appeal too, and most people should be able to use a Maths related package to do useful work.

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