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Seeking Your Interest in Roadtesting Wireless Sensors and Hub of an Industrial IOT System

rscasny
rscasny over 2 years ago

Hi all.

I have met with Schneider Electric who makes Wireless Transmitters (Sensors) and a Hub that operates as intermediate equipment between a transmitter and a PLC or industrial PC.

We have primarily discussed roadtesting these products (which I list below). However they are open to a design challenge.

We are interested in learning:

  • How you would roadtest these products (as they are part of a larger system).
  • What your interest level is in roadtesting these products
  • Other than the products listed below, what else would you need

Let me list the products the roadtester would receive:

ZBRTC1 Wireless transmitter (current sensor)
Wireless transmitter, Harmony XB5R, Current sensor, self-powered current monitoring wireless clamp sensor, 0.5…35A

Datasheet

ZBRTT1 Wireless transmitter (Temp/Relative Humidity sensor)
Easergy CL110 wireless environmental temperature and humidity sensor

Operation manual

Webpage

XB5R Wireless pushbutton
Harmony wireless and batteryless pushbuttons are used for remote control of a receiver relay using a transmitter pushbutton.

Webpage and notes

ZBRN1 Harmony Hub
Harmony Hub wireless ethernet gateway, Harmony XB5R, Zigbee green power gateway, wireless to modbus TCP, 24...240V AC DC

Instruction sheet

Datasheet

User Manual

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  • Robert Peter Oakes
    Robert Peter Oakes over 2 years ago +2
    To go with this based on initial read I would expect you will need a PLC or sorts (I have plenty) that supports Modbus TCP so you can pull in the data, also some kind of display, if your planning on using…
  • Gough Lui
    Gough Lui over 2 years ago in reply to Robert Peter Oakes +2
    Well, if it supports Modbus TCP, I suspect there's no reason you can't just hook it up to an Ethernet network and use pymodbus (or similar libraries) on any computer or SBC to talk to it, assuming you…
  • dougw
    dougw over 2 years ago +1
    I have an interest in Zigbee but have moved away from the industrial automation sector and I wouldn't use this type of automation at home.
  • dougw
    dougw over 2 years ago

    I have an interest in Zigbee but have moved away from the industrial automation sector and I wouldn't use this type of automation at home.

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  • Robert Peter Oakes
    Robert Peter Oakes over 2 years ago

    To go with this based on initial read I would expect you will need a PLC or sorts (I have plenty) that supports Modbus TCP so you can pull in the data, also some kind of display, if your planning on using a controller with a display output then your all set, if not then some kind of HMI will be needed, presumably with Modbus TCP interface as well.

    Certainly to demonstrate its use, not much additional hardware is needed, to show it in it's "Targeted Infrastructure" then some of the items listed above will be needed and a few other devices for output just to make it interesting. I am fortunate that over the years I have collected quite a range of such things so would be very interested in producing a road test for this and some additional how to content.

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  • Gough Lui
    Gough Lui over 2 years ago in reply to Robert Peter Oakes

    Well, if it supports Modbus TCP, I suspect there's no reason you can't just hook it up to an Ethernet network and use pymodbus (or similar libraries) on any computer or SBC to talk to it, assuming you know the channel mapping.

    I selected maybe, primarily because it will be a use-case specific thing depending on what sensors and Zigbee profiles are supported whether it would be all that interesting to me. The listed sensors are of interest, but perhaps more variety would increase the utility (e.g. by including some sort of Zigbee actuator or output if that is in the lineup, rather than having only sensors). Then again, perhaps they don't purely due to battery operation constraints ...

    - Gough

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  • skruglewicz
    skruglewicz over 2 years ago

    This would make for a very interesting Road-test. I'm sure the sponsor would benefit from a roadtest, given all the Talented Road testers we have in our community. I believe that it  would make a better Roadtest than a Design Challenge. For reference, I was involved in a design challenge last spring that involved a product from Omega.

    "N-gaged Remote Monitoring Sponsored by Omega
    Challengers must use Omega’s Wireless Layer N EcoSystem to create an IoT solution featuring remote monitoring, predictive maintenance, environmental management, and more."

    I was not a prize winner, but I completed the challenge and received a finisher prize. Winners Announcement - N-Gage Design Challenge. My approach to the challenge was to put the product thru it's paces and the discover how the parts fit together and how a hobbyist like myself could benefit and learn Industrial IoT with this product. The kit supplied by Omega, contained all the pieces needed to assemble the HW pieces from sensor over wireless to a hub and onto the Cloud to be used for reliability analysis. No programming was involved here just configuration. The MODUS/TCP protocol is supported  but I did not utilize it in my challenge project, due to my lack of experience with it.

    Comments here from members indicate that  a PLC with a display would be a helpful addition but not required if a MODUS/TCP supported PLC or PC is added to the design. If such a component was included in the kit, then it would then it would be a turn key solution like the Omega n-gaged kit.

    Otherwise the evaluation could involve the ease of adding a MODUS/TCP supported PLC or PC to  program a data collector and analyzer. This either way would  be a very interesting learning experience for a hobbyist

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  • Robert Peter Oakes
    Robert Peter Oakes over 2 years ago in reply to Gough Lui

    The actuators would not necessarily have to be battery operated, outputs typically require more power than inputs as there driving something rather than simply sensing.

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  • Robert Peter Oakes
    Robert Peter Oakes over 2 years ago in reply to Robert Peter Oakes

    Forgot to mention, as it is Modbus TCP, even a raspberry pi running NodeRed will work great and provide an HTTP WEB interface too if needed. Anything that can run nodered really would suffice to drive the road test devices hub,

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  • Gough Lui
    Gough Lui over 2 years ago in reply to Robert Peter Oakes

    I agree ... perhaps even a wirelessly controlled digital output might be useful in some situations where you can't easily run cables for data but already have access to power ... or perhaps want to control something on a moving robotic platform.

    - Gough

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  • colporteur
    colporteur over 2 years ago

    My initial thought is to clamp that current sensor on my car battery cable and go for a drive. 

    I have some car buffs around that have cars that are 30 years old. I wonder how they compare?

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  • Gough Lui
    Gough Lui over 2 years ago in reply to colporteur

    Don't think that's going to work unfortunately as it looks to be an AC current clamp, not a DC one. You could measure your household energy consumption on a couple of circuits if you'd like ... and if you're comfortable with working around your switchboard.

    - Gough

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 2 years ago

    I voted maybe but was close to No.

    It looked like a LOT of work and definately needs other components to make a useful system.

    These parts would make sense in some industrial environments but  don't really fit into my kind of work.

    The Roadtest would make  a lot more sense if a matching PLC and a few more bits were included.

    MK

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