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Can you safely review this Digital Isolator?

OwainM
OwainM 5 months ago

Hey everyone,

I'm trying to work out how suitable the Toshiba DCM340L01  is for a RoadTest and would appreciate your input.

Reading through the datasheet it seems quite interesting, but due to the voltage it claims to be able to insulate from (5000Vrms), I'm not sure what equipment is required to put it through its paces.

What additional equipment might you need for a RoadTest?



Rather than just the IC alone, the chip is provided on a break-out board, as shown below.
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The following documentation for the chip is provided from the manufacturer:

  • Manufacturer’s Page
  • Selection Guide 

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  • AngelSoto
    AngelSoto 5 months ago

    In my opinion, it can be reviewed safely as long as the scope of the testing is clearly defined.

    In a RoadTest environment, I would not attempt to validate the full isolation rating (kV-level testing),
    since that requires specialised high-voltage equipment and controlled safety procedures. I would
    treat the isolation rating as a specification to trust from the manufacturer rather than something to
    validate in a home lab environment. Instead, I would focus on signal integrity, propagation delay,
    channel skew, power consumption, noise immunity and overall behaviour under realistic operating
    conditions.

    That would still provide meaningful engineering insight without introducing unnecessary risk.

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  • JWx
    JWx 5 months ago in reply to DAB

    btw - I have tested isolator delays using inverter generator and comparing output frequencies, but Gough Lui and his extensive lab would be better prepared (especially when max transfer rate is more manageable 50Mb/s)

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  • DAB
    DAB 5 months ago

    Just looking over the data sheet, there are a lot of aspects of this device that would be tricky to test.

    Not only the voltage levels, but there are also the timing issues to consider.

    This would be a great part for Gough Lui to test.

    He would have the knowledge and probably the equipment to do it justice.

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  • kmikemoo
    kmikemoo 5 months ago in reply to rcreighton

    Ah, the Megger.  After working in the power industry for almost 40 years, I think the megger gets way more credit than it deserves.  As a DC device, it can create the illusion that the insulation system is better than it really is - for AC applications.  And yet we use it on AC systems all the time.  It essentially measures the very best layer of insulation.  It can confirm if the insulation system is failed but it cannot tell you that the insulation is good for AC systems.
    Okay... I'll give you that it's better than nothing AND it's more affordable and less dangerous that an AC Hi-Pot.  Still, know that it's not as cool as it will tell you it is.

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  • JWx
    JWx 5 months ago

    there are many parameters that can be tested - when I was roadtesting an isolator, I have tested power consumption vs. signal frequency vs. power supply voltage and delay difference between channels (which is an important parameter because it can generate hazards/races)

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  • rcreighton
    rcreighton 5 months ago

    I picked up a low cost ($60 USD) megger that had switchable test voltages up to 5000V at a previous job. If a roadtest for the digital isolator included a megger like that for testing, then I could see it being interesting. 

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  • stanto
    stanto 5 months ago in reply to scottiebabe

    That's something I wondered, although it says 5000v can this be adequately tested under that?

    But I suppose you could argue "well that's not testing the full capability of the chip"

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  • dang74
    dang74 5 months ago

    Not an expert in this area, but can the isolation specification be tested by a battery powered hi-pot tester.  In spite of the high voltage I think its current is so low that it is relatively safe.

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  • BigG
    BigG 5 months ago in reply to robogary

    Exactly. If they want independent recognition and validation I'd think any UL recognised test house could do this too.

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    scottiebabe 5 months ago

    The intended working voltage is under 1000V

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