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A Conversation about RoadTests, Missing Reviews, and the Future

rscasny
rscasny over 8 years ago

Several years ago when I interviewed with Newark element14, I visited element14 website as part of the preparation for my interview. Most recently, I had been a technical writer for an industrial connector company that sold a special kind of "switch-rated" connector used in industrial facilities, oil fields and ocean platforms, mines, generators, wastewater treatment plants, among others for high horsepower, 3-phase induction motors that could interrupt currents at full load and eliminate the risk associated with arc flash accidents. So, element14.com was quite a different kind of company for me! I told the interviewer that I was "wowed" by the depth of content, its variety, and the endless amount of participation of the element14 community members.

 

I thought back then, as I do now, that the RoadTest section of the community was remarkable. The reviews, including vivid images, scope shots, and videos were just so special. Even now, I enjoy reading through them; the authors of RoadTest reviews exhibit a passion for their subject and a depth of knowledge that is unmatched.

 

I didn't initially work in the Community when I joined the company. I was assigned to the Video team where I produced product video scripts for our transactional sites, Newark and Farnell. With recent staff changes, I ended up taking over the management of the RoadTest program. It is a lot of work, but it is satisfying when am complimented on the RoadTest area. Of course, these compliments are your compliments-- the community of RoadTesters.

 

There's much more work involved in managing the program than may appear to the casual observer. I interact with suppliers, select products to review, order & ship parts, create the RoadTest pages (with the help of my colleagues tariq.ahmad and pchan).Since I am the main contact for the suppliers who want to participate in the RoadTest program, I hear what's on their minds: their concerns and their problems.

 

On the topic of problems and concerns, last December a supplier contacted me regarding a RoadTest Review he wanted to read; he couldn't find it. I just thought he had problems navigating our huge website so I looked for it myself; I couldn't find it, either.  I contacted the RoadTester regarding the review I could not find several times; I received no response. The supplier contacted the RoadTester as well. (The RoadTester had logged onto the site after being contacted by us.) Ultimately, in frustration, the supplier's National Sales Manager contacted the RoadTester asking for the product to be returned. As a result of this experience, I spent a day auditing the RoadTest Reviews. I stopped when I saw 85 were missing over the last year. I realized then I had a problem that I needed to address.

 

Understanding the Problem of Unwritten Reviews Has Been a Problem for Me

 

Prior to writing this piece, I met with other members of our team to discuss the problem. Was it a problem, really?  I think that's a valid question. After all, our RoadTesters are human beings. You get sick. You have family problems. Your day jobs can overload your time. I guess if I were an official RoadTester and a family problem was preventing me from submitting a review by the deadline, I would send a courtesy email telling me (or Kelly or Diane) of the situation. I rarely receive status updates by the RoadTesters, which I found a bit odd. (When I do, it usually concerns shipping issues.) Maybe is an age thing: I am much older than many of our members. I was in the military, trained to "go the extra mile." Who knows!

 

I think why I am having a difficult time understanding this problem is when I began following up with the RoadTesters. I contacted an official RoadTester about his review, which was due 4 months prior to my message, and he messaged me back with the following: "I don't have the resources to just pick it up now. Sorry." I guess I just got blown off.

 

I contacted another official RoadTester asking for the status of his review. He responded with the following: "Well, first I would like to reaffirm that I WILL BLOG HERE and honor what was asked of me." It's been about 75 days since he received the product and I haven't received the review. I guess he is not someone who stands by his word. I messaged him today that without the review I would have to suspend his participation in the program. He shot me a message and saying that's okay by him. He still has the product and I don't have the review. And I have a supplier to answer to.

 

Another person even blamed me for asking for reviews because I was dissing all RoadTesters (presumably for even asking.) That's not worthy of a response.

 

I guess I am perplexed. After all, a RoadTester is given a free product and in return all I am asking for is a posted review. You don't have to write a book. Just provide your objective opinion.

 

So, how will this problem we solved. Well, let me start with a self-critique.

 

Solving the Problem of Missing RoadTest Reviews

 

I could make excuses and complain about my heavy workload, but that won't solve anything. For starters, I think I could do a better job at communicating with the official RoadTesters. I have communicated, but it has been later in the process; I have to do a better job at communicating earlier. I have enlisted my colleague e14megan, our Community Manager, to help me. We will try harder.  But open communication is a two-way street; I feel I should not have to always initiate communication on the status of your RoadTests.

 

I also feel I have to do a better job about ordering parts earlier in the process. I have been managing the program for a few months and have realized that many of the products being roadtested are new product introductions, which often don't have a lot of inventory; therefore, I have to order them earlier. Moving forward, I will not create any new RoadTests until I have possession of the products.

 

I think I have to do a better job at screening RoadTest applicants. I review all applications and make recommendations before sending the whole package off to the supplier who makes the final decision on official RoadTesters. I think our current RoadTest application form is too general. Therefore, I am in the process of improving the form for better screening of applicants, regarding their qualifications, knowledge and (most importantly) their participation in the element14 Community. People who participate a lot by commenting, writing blogs, and reporting on project builds deserve to RoadTest that $3,000 piece of test equipment.

 

Finally, I have noticed a lot of the applications that do not communicate clearly what they are going to do for a RoadTest. Some applications are so long that I wonder if the project can be accomplished in 60 days. I've pondered this most of all, asking myself what is a RoadTest? This reflection made me list 5 different RoadTest types:

 

  • Unboxing (14 days to complete): I think an unboxing can be a useful way to RoadTest a product despite its apparent simplicity. It surely tests if the product works out of the box and all the parts and documentation are provided. But this type of RoadTest does not require 60 days to complete. I think it can be done in a few hours. For this reason, if a RoadTester chooses to perform this type of RoadTest, he/she will need to post the official review in 14 days from delivery of the product.

 

  • Test a Product Claim (21 days to complete): I think testing a product claim, albeit more limited than an project-type, is another way to RoadTest a product. For example, some manufacturers claim you can get the product up and running in 30 minutes. Well, go ahead and test it! And report what happens. I give this 21 days to complete.

 

  • Testing to a Procedure or Standard (30 days to complete): For some products, companies will provide a detailed procedure for pre-compliance testing. (There are also testing standards by regular orgs; these may be more difficult to replicate the procedure.) In any event, testing a D.C. power Supply to an established Procedure would be an example of this type of RoadTest. Since it requires a bit of research on the RoadTester's part, I give it 30 days to complete.

 

  • Simple Project (45 days to complete): Projects always take a lot more time and creativity to produce. Plus, the review itself is usually longer. A simple project would be something like taking a Raspberry Pi, adding a sensor on the input and a motor/actuator on the output to perform some type of action. I give something like this 45 days to complete.

 

  • Complex Prototype Build (60 days to complete): Complex projects are the pinnacle of RoadTests. They take the product and use it to build a product prototype. This type of RoadTest would be similar to a Design Challenge project. As such, it would require more time and a more involved review. Hence, it merits more time. I give it 60 days to complete; however, I could be swayed to 75 days if it were really something unique.

 

The Solution: Not Only Me But the Community

 

While it is my job to manage the RoadTest program, and offer my ideas, I think the solution will be forged by the community of RoadTesters as a whole. Perhaps some ideas I have offered in this piece, resonate with you-- tell the community why. Perhaps you think I am off base or wrong; that's fine, tell the community why (but anticipate that I will engage you). Perhaps you have another idea; by all means enter it in the comments section below. I will be rolling out some improvements to the RoadTest Program, so stay tuned. Thank you for participating in our Community.

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  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 8 years ago +14
    rscasny I think you've identified the same issues we observed some time back. Without 'inner knowledge' it was simply an observation, but we did question the value of providing high value equipment to…
  • jc2048
    jc2048 over 8 years ago +11
    I haven't participated in any roadtests, so my comments are just those of an interested observer. Like you, I am dismayed at people treating the tests as a free giveaway. I originally thought that I couldn…
  • DAB
    DAB over 8 years ago +11
    Hi Randall, Last year I proposed a simple solution called creating trusted road testers. You could do it as an extension of your badges. Use the inexpensive gear to test new road testers. Those that comply…
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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 8 years ago

    I think the basic ideas are fine - I'm sure that you'll have some flexibility for different items and circumstances. Having some clear guidelines about what is expected seems a good plan.

     

    It's never going to be possible to screen out all the non reviewers but it may be worth only giving big ticket items to member who have established a track record in some way.

     

    I do think that it's very easy to under estimate the amount of time it takes to do a good review - it might be helpful for people who've done reviews that attracted good comments to say how long they took . Not quite sure how this could be shared but there may be  away.

     

    MK

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  • rscasny
    rscasny over 8 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    There has been some discussion about limiting the program to only Top Members. I don't want to do that. I think new people should have a chance. But for big ticket items, there were be new requirements rolled out for those.

     

    I agree that estimating the time to do a review is risky on my part. My timelines are guidance only. If a RoadTester tells me what is going on, the dates can be adjusted.

     

    Thanks for your input.

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  • tomaja
    tomaja over 8 years ago in reply to rscasny

    Yes, I support that kind of limitation for the most valuable items even though I'm not a top member.

    dougw's idea of assigning 80% of those reviews to proven members seems more than fair. I get disappointed when a new member receives something great for a review and then after a year or two you see that the last activity of that member was asking about delivery... Top members never do that and usually their reviews give more to us readers.

    To get to the top member status and opportunity to do top reviews one should start with smaller tasks and prove he/she deserves more complexed/expensive stuff.

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  • kas.lewis
    kas.lewis over 8 years ago in reply to tomaja

    I don't think limiting to "Top Members" is right or a way to grow the community. I do believe that those who have proven to be reliable is. What I mean is if someone has shown that they can complete reviews in a meaningful way and on time that should be a qualifying factor not the designation of TOP MEMBER (Which in some ways has only worked to close the community not invite more people in). Points should also count as anyone who signs up just for a review or signs up with a new name because they have been blacklisted for previous bad behaviour should not be allowed to participate just for the cool stuff. I also like the idea of having none completed reviews have the product returned or paid for by the offending reviewer. It's not a give away its an exchange of services, a product for a review.

     

    This issue has been commented on a lot but the argument of "inviting new members" has always trumped any meaningful will to fix the issue. I'm happy rscasny has taken a fresh and realistic approach to this issue and looking to get members that want to participate is more important than getting members that want cool stuff and only cool stuff.

     

    Kas

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    rscasny over 8 years ago in reply to kas.lewis

    I don't want to limit it to the Top Members. I will take into account an applicant's accrued points as an indication of participation and the ability to pull off the roadtest and the review. I want to grow the community and I want new members and students to apply. I will be more closely monitoring on the new form an applicant's qualifications, knowledge and time availability.

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    rscasny over 8 years ago in reply to kas.lewis

    I don't want to limit it to the Top Members. I will take into account an applicant's accrued points as an indication of participation and the ability to pull off the roadtest and the review. I want to grow the community and I want new members and students to apply. I will be more closely monitoring on the new form an applicant's qualifications, knowledge and time availability.

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  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 8 years ago in reply to rscasny

    I will take into account an applicant's accrued points as an indication of participation

    Sadly the points alone doesn't help.

     

    I've generally looked at the Content of members and the participation tab to get an idea of their engagement in the community.

    Some have a lot of authored content but little other involvement.

     

    A check of their date of joining and the last login makes for some interesting viewing.

     

    Mark

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  • kas.lewis
    kas.lewis over 8 years ago in reply to mcb1

    mcb1

     

    I hear what you are saying and I agree even though I would technically be one of teh violators. But if the goal is to keep people engaged then your view is correct. Authoring a lot of content is not the same as being involved. I would say though comments may not be the only way to be involved as sometimes giving positive feedback is also nice but adding a comment with that x number of stars is also useful.

     

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