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What's Stopping You Building Your Next Project with an FPGA? (Please, Don't Blame the Cost!)

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rscasny over 7 years ago

The community does a ton of projects with MCUs. If they do the job for you, that's great. But the element14 community is about learning, experimenting and roadtesting. In this spirit, I am proposing that you should try building your next project with an FPGA (SoC), if it suits the application, of course. What's stopping you? Oh, some members have voiced the cost issue. Granted, some FPGAs do cost a lot. But chip manufacturers are rolling out economical chipsets that most makers, pro-makers or experienced hobbyists can afford. (If you can't, then apply to a RoadTest and if you win you can get a dev board for FREE.) I think FPGA / SoCs will move into a more important place for electronic designers, especially for IoT applications. Perhaps it's time to experiement with one. What's stopping you?

 

Here's a link to a current roadtest:Digilent ARTY S7 Dev Board (Xilinx Spartan 7)   Apply today!

 

Randall Scasny

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  • Workshopshed
    Workshopshed over 7 years ago +16
    Hi Randall, I have been thinking about getting started with FPGAs this year. I've got myself a "TinyFPGA". I've gone for the $12 A version which is based on the Lattice Mach XO2-256. That's it's about…
  • ipv1
    ipv1 over 7 years ago +8
    rscasny I just posted a comment for this in the vivado discussion. To answer this question in short, I find very few projects worthy of an FPGA. An IoT application with FPGAs sounds fascinating though…
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 7 years ago +8
    There's a simple CPLD project here that I had a lot of fun working on, in case it helps provide ideas: Programmable Logic Project: Pseudo-Random Noise Generator CPLDs and FPGAs are great for signal generation…
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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 7 years ago

    To address Randall's original question:

     

    I use FPGAs in many (probably most) of my commercial projects (because that's the area I work in).

     

    It seems to me that the "problem" with home FPGA projects is that while the hardware has become quite cheap the applications for the larger FPGAs only make an sense at all when the project is big.

    It's just daft to use a soft processor on an FPGA or a SOC style FPGA with hard processor cores if you just want to run Linux or make an alarm clock (use a Pi or an Arduino respectively).

    Big FPGA projects take a lot of experience and time and are somewhat out of range of the usual home project - even if the basic FPGA board is free.

     

    So for home use even the S7 board offered in the road test is  a big bite. (An aside here, this series of boards from Digilent is a bit lopsided in that they don't have enough accessible IO - 32 pins across the 4 PMOD connectors and about 20 on the Arduino footprint - the board would be massively improved by the addition of a 64 way 0.1" pitch connector with all the IO accessible.)

     

    Small FPGAs are another thing altogether:

     

    The Lattice ICE40 parts are cheap, simple, free tools, cheap eval boards and sensible and viable for  small projects.

    The Altera MAX 10 parts are real FPGAs (most modern features available) , free tools (The Altera tool set is my favorite between L, X and A.), cheap boards available, 3.3V single voltage, TQFP packages.

    Others have already mentioned the Xilinx XC9572 (wouldn't use it myself but tastes differ !) and the Lattice MachXO parts.

     

    I think because most of the publicity is about the big parts (which are intimidating and hard to use) people are missing out on the virtues of the cheap and simple parts.

     

    How about getting a road test going with ICE40 or Altera MAX10 boards - or even a competition to do something reasonably simple like a clock, timer or frequency meter (with display of your own choice)  using a given (subsidized ?) simple dev board and coded in VHDL or Verilog. No processors allowed.

     

    MK

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    COMPACT over 7 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    A real challenge is to get the ARTY to work with "Processing" (the environment that Arduino was derived) and make a FPGA Sketches just like the AVR and PIC.

    Now that'd be something grand.

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    COMPACT over 7 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    A real challenge is to get the ARTY to work with "Processing" (the environment that Arduino was derived) and make a FPGA Sketches just like the AVR and PIC.

    Now that'd be something grand.

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    michaelkellett over 7 years ago in reply to COMPACT

    OK - I challenge you !

     

    (I'll expect to hear back in about 2025 image)

     

    A more "compact" challenge would be to pick a shield and get that doing something useful under FPGA control.

     

    MK

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  • SGarciaV
    SGarciaV over 7 years ago in reply to COMPACT

    Hmmmm... Different paradigms; Processing is a programming language while VHDL is a hardware description language. Their inherent difference does not make it ideal to use a programming language to describe hardware.

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    COMPACT over 7 years ago in reply to SGarciaV

    No, one gets processing to work on the Microblaze core and uses VHDL or similar to configure its hardware features.

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    COMPACT over 7 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    I did one about 13 years ago. I designed a FPGA microbee(an Australian 1980's computer) and added extras such as PS/2 Mouse and Keyboard, and IDE hard disk support. The design outputs its own colour graphics from the FPGA.

    I used a combination of Schematic Capture and VHDL design. I used the VHDL to define my special components and used the Schematic Capture to interconnect them.

     

    As for mixed small designs the PSoC 5 is great as it allows a mixture of Programmable Logic along with an ARM processor.  The PSoC 6 if it gets more UDB (Universal Digital Blocks) combined with its USB hosting capabilities extends its usefulness even more.

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    COMPACT over 7 years ago in reply to COMPACT

    Like DAB, I've retired due to illness and its subsequent disabilities and on occasion attempt to enthuse others to learn this fascinating craft.

     

    As DAB says;

     

    "Just a thought."

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