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2 Roadtests, 4 Reviewers, 0 Reviews: When A RoadTester Does Not Complete a Review

rscasny
rscasny over 6 years ago

Recently, I selected roadtest applicants who were both new roadtesters  and have not participated much on the community, primarily because I have had some other members tell me that I am using experienced roadtesters too much. (This is never my intent; I select the best applicants. When I roadtest writes only a 1-sentence application, I don't have much to go on and these folks usually don't get selected.)

 

I had to report roadtest results to 2 sponsors. Well, the results for these 2 roadtests were not great: 4 roadtesters haven't done their reviews, they haven't logged in for 3 to 4 months, and they have not responded to all our follow ups that we do for every roadtest. Before I selected these 4, I contacted them and they agreed to commit to delivering the review in 60 days.

 

Now, 2 roadtests is a fraction of all roadtests. For many roadtests we get 100% compliance. I'd say overall we are getting a compliance rate in the upper80s/lower90s, which is good and a far cry from where we were 2 years ago when we were at the sub-20% level.

 

Speaking for the sponsor and myself, we understand that in some situations people will be unable to complete the review. After all, people do get ill and emergencies do arise in everyone's lives, so I never expect to have 100% compliance for every roadtest. I recall someone who had a tree fall on his house in an ice storm. That's a major tragedy in my book. Of course I would not expect a review. But these instances are atypical and very few compared to all roadtests and roadtesters I deal with.

 

While we give the official roadtesters the kits and the shipping for free, someone does pay for these things. Typically, the sponsor pays for the kits and element14 pays for the shipping costs to the roadtesters. But we are more than happy to do this because we value our roadtesters' opinions and we are happy to absorb the costs when the reviews are published.

 

But the question comes to mind: what happens when a roadtester doesn't complete the review:

 

1. The sponsor does not receive all the feedback he is seeking when he enrolled in the roadtest program as a sponsor.

2. Someone who does not complete the review prevents someone who could have done the review from doing it.

3. It prevents our members from learning about the product.

4. It damages the credibility of the program.

5. The delinquent roadtesters prevent themselves for being considered for a high-priced product. If I can't reliably use someone for a $35 US roadtest, how can I expect them to do the review for a $3500 US roadtest!

6. I am placed in the embarrassing situation to explain why 4 people I selected did not do their reviews.

 

There are other reasons but 6 reasons is enough to make my point.

 

It is my responsibility to get the required results for both our sponsors. My bosses also have expectations and expect that I will solve problems. I want people to use the RoadTest program to have fun with technology,  and get some products or equipment that they may not have the budget to get on their own. But I also need mature, responsible members who are engaged in our community, demonstrate an appropriate level of professionalism, and are responsive to our follow up requests. I like to think most roadtesters are professional. I surely do not think these 4 delinquent roadtesters represent the RoadTest group.

 

But going forward, I will have to modify my approach in selection somewhat. And I probably will not hand out all the kits if I don't feel I have enough roadtesters who are knowledgeable about the product, and are mature, professional and reliable. If you were in doubt that I am very serious about people completing their reviews, I hope this discussion makes my position very clear. I apologize to all my loyal and responsbile roadtesters who do complete their reviews. But this is a community and I have to communicate my concerns as well as be open to new ideas and feedback: it's a two-way street.

 

If you can't finish the review, contact me and tell me or my colleague danzima why. If you need a bit more time, that's fine if you need to do more testing. (Needing more time to finish your Differential Equations homework or finishing your digital electronics lab is not a reason for needing more time.) Communicate and keep us in the loop; you will find in your career that developing communication skills is as important as honing those engineering skills. Even if you received a non-working product, you are still required to post a review. Put it out to the members: "I took these readings and I believe it's faulty. Help me troubleshoot it." There are plenty of eager members who are more than happy to help.

 

I want everyone to benefit from a Roadtest. I think completed roadtests are a great place to learn. I think they are a fantastic vehicle for the new engineer who is trying to shine in their first job interview. Read our e-book on IoT careers to learn more shining in a job interview: https://www.element14.com/community/community/publications/ebooks?ICID=hp-iotcareerebook-rotational#?ICID=ebooks-downloa…

 

But you can't reap the benefits of the roadtest program if you don't do your reviews.

 

Sincerely,

 

Randall Scasny

RoadTest Program Manager

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  • rscasny
    rscasny over 6 years ago +12
    Hi All. I'd like to thank everyone who has participated in this discussion. It's help me clarify the problem and think about solutions. Change Idea #1: I used to send a standard availability email when…
  • Fred27
    Fred27 over 6 years ago +10
    Unfortunately you are going to get some people like that. I don't envy your job having to pick road testers. It must be tricky trying to balance the requirements of the suppliers (who are the ones that…
  • DAB
    DAB over 6 years ago +8
    Sadly, that is the outcome I predicted several years ago. If you want to satisfy the vendors, you have to use trusted road testers. You can always allocate a couple of inexpensive gear tests to newbies…
  • Gough Lui
    Gough Lui over 6 years ago in reply to Fred27

    No problems - happy to be mentioned Fred27, especially when it's positive in nature image. Thanks for your comments - it's great to be acknowledged for my efforts. I am truly humbled, but I'd have to say that on the whole, practically all of the Top Members have a track record of delivering quality RoadTests, as do a few new (but active) members. Some RoadTests are more difficult than others and life can get in the way (it certainly did for me in my triple-concurrent RoadTest recently) but I don't take my responsibilities lightly. There are, of course, the jealous types and I don't doubt that the statistics may look lopsided - but RoadTests are not a game of "chance", so I don't take those comments to heart. Participate or not, this is ultimately your own choice - win or not, this is ultimately the choice of element14 and the sponsor.

     

    Needless to say, I do try to make sure I deliver what I promise, or if not, there's a good reason for it and perhaps some bonus content to go with it to make up for it. My reviews can be a bit dry and systematic - but a good quality on-time RoadTest ensures that everyone is happy. This means that element14 forum members and other visitors get some good content to look at, it means the sponsor is happy and gets some exposure/engagement/conversation about a given product (positive or negative) or some feedback to help fix issues, it means the element14 community raises its profile and perhaps means more RoadTest opportunities for all in the future. In my opinion - fail to deliver, and it could cost more than just *your* ability to get future RoadTests regardless of the value of the item.

     

    We've mentioned the whole issue about "free" in the past and whether it was attracting the right types of applicants. At one stage, RoadTest "by invitation" was an alternative where members would be selected for a given product instead, which would have been completely opposite. I suppose, the issue boils down to fairness (perceived or actual) and barriers to entry - so maybe we just have to accept that in order to give new members a try, this is the price to pay. I wouldn't be against having tiered eligibility depending on items - but whether this is realistic from an administration point of view and perhaps block potentially good RoadTesters from going for an item is something to think about. We all have our own areas of expertise - the lower cost items are almost always EVMs/dev boards, so perhaps some people may not be able to deliver a good RoadTest for those and end up unfairly excluded for something else more expensive that is perhaps in their area of expertise. I'd love to see us discover more like-minded highly-technical engineers, hobbyists, etc and would love to see reviews from them.

     

    I know rscasny has a tough job balancing it all, so I'm glad that we do get some insight into the challenges that are being faced. I'm not always easy to deal with either - I often come up with queries and special requests to contact manufacturers during RoadTests, and I've left some honest but not-as-favourable reviews in the past, so I'm glad to still be welcome around here. Above all, I wouldn't sleep comfortably if I wasn't being honest with myself, the community and the world.

     

    - Gough

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  • aabhas
    aabhas over 6 years ago

    rscasny

    I agree to jomoenginer that you should have data of any payment method so that if the roadtester is not able to complete the review without any genuine reason then he has to pay for the hardware , this would eliminate participation of all the members who want to take part just for hardware and not fulfill responsibility of writing the review .

    But you should not remove participation of the new members rather see their participation in the community and get to know about them and you can even take help from tariq.ahmad  and sort out that who are taking part in project 14 , or any other contests and their credibility to be given the hardware or not .

    I am saying this because I am myself a new member to the community and have participated in Project14 but have not at all participated in RoadTests & Reviews  but will also take part here and I think this is also a great exposure and platform for roadtesting writing the official review of a commercial product and I think that you definitely is a risk giving new members a chance then you should have  less ratio of new members bieng declared roadtesters  but you should not remove most participation of new members as many members like me may be seeking to try their hands on this part of the community along with dedication.

    Though I am no one to tell you as I don't have the responsibilities what you have and you might have some target that you have given to the manufacturer/sponsor about the reviews bieng received but this is my personal  opinion.

    Thanks

    Aabhas Senapati

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 6 years ago in reply to aabhas

    Hi Aabhas,

     

    You've made effort with Project14, so you're not a new member any more : ) Your thing finder project was interesting : ) And you made an effort to understand how to use the tools, like the code syntax and insert image features in the online editor.. so many people don't. Even really skilled engineers can have difficulty communicating information (partially stereotype, but partially true) , so Project14, the RoadTests, and other activity writing could be great ways to get an edge when job-hunting.

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  • aabhas
    aabhas over 6 years ago in reply to shabaz

    shabaz

    Though I have participated in two competitions and have been selected for one more competition Project14 but have taken part in the element14 community from January 2019 which is very less in comparison to senior members and the experience you all senior members have by being in such a wonderful community for many years . No one can become an overnight star and it is a gradual process so I have to work harder and gain a lot more knowledge but I really admire a lot about this amazing community it has provided with a lot of exposure to me and learn a lot of new things and the community members are also very helpful and are ready to help even when I ask them personally. Well, I am still a student and have to manage my studies and exams as well but I think this experience and knowledge I am getting will definitely help me in future so I try to invest my time here from my present time and try to participate in Element 14 Community. This time will try out my hands on the RoadTests & Reviews community and try to submit applications.

    Thanks

    Aabhas Senapati

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 6 years ago

    This is not too different from dealing with anyone new in other circumstances.

    At my job, I hire contractors without meeting them in person too - and there's no 100% guarantee of satisfaction (also not when you interview staff on location).

     

    I admire Randall's effort to get new reviewers. Kudos for not taking the easy path. It's the best way to keep things healthy and to grow the community. Saying that, it's not easy. There's no path to success.

    The only thing I can advise is: take the risk. Allow for failure. Assign low risk items to as many new reviewers as you can.

     

    Settled reviewers aren't saints either. I've seen lousy reviews and no-shows from settled members.

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  • Fred27
    Fred27 over 6 years ago

    shabaz  wrote:

    Even really skilled engineers can have difficulty communicating information (partially stereotype, but partially true) , so Project14, the RoadTests, and other activity writing could be great ways to get an edge when job-hunting.

    I agree that things like road tests and Project 14 are really helpful with expanding skills that you can use in your job (or to get a new job). Some stereotypical engineers might need these skills more than others, but we can all benefit to some degree. It shows that you can research and understand a topic or piece of equipment, and then pass on that knowledge to help others.

     

    I'm a software developer, so electronics and embedded development isn't directly related to my job. However, I've done presentations to my colleagues on these sort of subjects - often at lunchtime with pizza provided. (I even ended up repeating one of these presentations on stage at Microsoft's UK HQ at a hackathon. Nerve-wracking stuff!) I've done others that are a little closer to work topics too. It definitely helps you when you want to get ideas across to management or prove you're the guy to promote. They fit well on your CV as the extra stuff that proves you have a bit more to you that just the skills they listed in the job spec.

     

    I'll give you an example. Right now I'm wondering whether my C# web developer colleagues who are familiar with Azure would be interested in finding out more about Azure Sphere. They are unlikely to have even heard of it. If I road test one, then that might form the basic of a presentation. Should I decide to change jobs, I'm very likely to be discussing Azure in a job interview. Having published an article on an aspect that the other candidates have never heard of - that's bound to go down well.

     

    Having links to things like road tests that you have done outside work is definitely a good thing. Even if you don't intend to show these to anyone outside the E14 community then you've built a valuable skill that will help you a lot. To any new member who's reading this then I'd say that it's really worth going for a road test and it's really worth putting some effort in - before you start as well as after you're selected.

     

    Anyway, getting back on topic...

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 6 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    ... I’d also tone down the legal section of a road test conditiond. You won’t sue  anyone anyways ...

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  • ciorga
    ciorga over 6 years ago

    Hi Randall,

    I like what you wrote in this message.   This issue was what made me stop applying to roadtests (specifically the issue that happened with the R&S FPC1500 spectrum analyzer roadtest).  I may start applying again.

    Best Wishes,

    Cosmin

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  • robogary
    robogary over 6 years ago

    Thanks for the message, it reinforces that integrity does really count still.

    There will always be extenuating circumstances for some Road Testers, ......and always some pinocchios,......... hang in there, keep the faith for the 99%'ers.

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  • balearicdynamics
    balearicdynamics over 6 years ago

    Hi Randall,

     

    I am so sorry to read this. The thing that leaves me really surprised is that there are many people like this than expected. I am the first that I missed some road testò this has been due to some my personal problems, but I know this is an excuse. And I had the opportunity to make other road test after this debacle and I appreciated this very much.

    I suppose what you need is a solution or at least a proposal. The idea may be that there should be a road test preview, before the deadline. I mean, after sending the first email recall in the mid of the road test period, if you have no answer or there is not draft already written by the roadtester, you can at least suspend him and do something before the expected period ends. This does not solve the problem that one piece of hardware has been tossed out but at least there is something that can be done respect the customer/producer involved in the roadtesting.

     

    About the value and importance of road tests, I have the intention to mention the roadtesting opportunity as a great free resource for makers in one of the chapters of the book I am writing, I have already sent you a message about this. take a look and let me know if it is worth to have a contribution by you.

     

    Enrico

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