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Closed-loop control for low-cost 3D printers

morgaine
morgaine over 11 years ago

A challenge given to Ben Heck in March of last year was "Challenge - cheap 3D printer" (design a 3D printer more cheaply), and that thread continues to receive replies to this date.  Unfortunately nobody in that thread actually addressed the matter as a design issue.  Instead, most of the replies (including from Ben) seem to have addressed an entirely different question, how to build the same kind of 3D printer as you can buy today, but for less money.

 

Those are two completely different questions.  It was pointed out by Ben that because of the race to the bottom by a huge number of manufacturers, the current designs can't be made a lot cheaper while still retaining the same speed and accuracy.  That's probably correct with respect to current standard designs, but it says nothing at all about different designs.

 

So, this thread suggests a different design approach that may offer a solution, and it's a pretty natural step to take.

 

A useful observation with which to start is that the accuracy and precision obtainable with today's RepRap-style models stems from the design of their stepper motors and the limitations inherent in screw drives and belts and pulleys and the rigidity of their physical construction.  Because of this, if you retain the existing design model but in the quest for lower cost you compromise on one of these areas, you are very likely to lose the necessary degree of printing accuracy even if you are performing steps at very high resolution, so that's not likely to be a good way forward.  Printing with high precision in the wrong place is not helpful.

 

That observation about accuracy and precision leads us directly to a solution though.  Engineers know full well how to gain high and definable accuracy without each of the components being manufactured to extreme tolerances, and that's by using closed-loop control with negative feedback, the basis of servo-systems.  In a closed-loop system, the only thing that needs to be highly accurate and with known precision is determination of current position, and the heart of that need be nothing more costly than a very accurately printed graticule which can be produced for pennies.  Given the ability to know where the operating head is located very accurately in each relevant axis (not necessarily Cartesian), the only other requirement for maintaining that limit of accuracy is rigidity of coupling between sensors and operating head, ie. the hot end in a 3D printer.  Very importantly, there is no need for rigidity in the motor assemblies --- as long as they're moving the head in the right direction, that's good enough.

 

So, I'll recast the original question differently and tie it to this specific way forward:

 

"How can we design a 3D printer based on closed-loop control to gain high accuracy and overcome low cost construction through use of negative feedback?"

 

It's mostly a matter of examining alternative physical arrangements to find one with good rigidity while also having low suspended mass and being amenable to construction with today's open-loop 3D printers as a stepping stone.  It's worth pointing out that virtually all 2D inkjet printers already use closed-loop control --- if you take one apart you'll find a positional sensor and fine graticule in there somewhere to provide very high accuracy in one dimension at the lowest cost.

 

Once we start thinking about closed-loop control for 3D printers, many possible advantages start to appear:

 

  • As already mentioned, it compensates for low-quality parts, so prices could fall much lower.
  • Closed loop operation compensates for latitude at assembly time as well, also leading to lower costs.
  • Very much higher accuracy than we have today is possible, and that cannot be done open loop.
  • Motors of many different kinds can be used, AC, DC, brushed, brushless, linear, and also steppers.
  • If steppers are used in a closed-loop system, you can overdrive them without worrying about "lost steps" because the steps aren't used for position control anyway, yet you still retain the advantage of high holding torque.
  • Much higher speeds are possible than we have today because of the two-fold advantage of wider motor choice and arbitrarily high acceleration while the control loop seeks to its desired position.
  • Accuracy and precision are more independently controllable in closed-loop systems.  This provides more opportunities for cost reduction through tradeoffs, as well as dynamic optimization in favour of speed, for example on in-fill.  In open-loop printers with stepper motors, the step size places a limit on precision of positional control, but this is very rarely reflected in the accuracy of actual positioning which is primarily determined by physical construction.

 

I'm sure there are many other benefits.

 

The main disadvantage is that this direction requires new thinking, new solutions.  And there's the challenge! image

 

Morgaine.

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 11 years ago +3
    The topic above is deliberately open-ended and proposes nothing more than closed-loop control, hopefully to encourage people to think laterally and very widely instead of being shackled by a specific construction…
  • morgaine
    morgaine over 11 years ago in reply to Former Member +2
    I'm talking about making the work head's position be determinable to high levels of accuracy --- the distinction between accuracy and precision is important in this context, because we need to know the…
  • vsluiter
    vsluiter over 11 years ago in reply to morgaine +2
    Hi Morgaine, It's what Nanotec is already selling for industrial use: stepper motors driven as 2-phase brushless DC motors. Very nice features as high torque, high accuracy, low noise....
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 11 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Here is one method someone devised.

    It would be nice to have some open source engine that could be used to detect position from an image, and some software to generate the co-ords of where to print dots on a surface.

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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 11 years ago in reply to shabaz

    shabaz wrote:

     

    Here is one method someone devised

     

    ... which the open source community has to explicitly avoid as it's patented, at least until such a time as Google makes it royalty-free.  Fortunately there are a billion and one other encodings available.

     

    It would be nice to have some open source engine that could be used to detect position from an image, and some software to generate the co-ords of where to print dots on a surface.

     

    Yes indeed.  I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that it already exists in one of the many image processing communities, especially in machine vision since pattern recognition is one of its core elements.  I doubt that 3D printing will have to invent much that is new in this particular area, only apply it in creative ways.

     

    Morgaine.

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  • shahjee
    shahjee over 11 years ago

    All the 3 D files are stl, obj etc files. We need to slice these files. IF we can convert these sliced files to JPEG or jpg files, we can print a 3 D image.
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    Am I right

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  • bradnorwood
    bradnorwood over 11 years ago in reply to shahjee

    Thats intresting, I asumed they stayed stl or obj files...

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 10 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Hey guys,

     

    Not only am I new to this community, but I'm pretty new to hardware development. However, this thread just grabbed me so I couldn't resist chiming in. Alas, with my limited knowledge, I will still try to contribute in some way. I have a few ideas:

     

    1. if you are contemplating using a camera anyway, why not use a laser too. You can project it to 3 surfaces and judge distance based on the size.

     

    2. I haven't heard anyone mention triangulation. Not that I know entirely what the cost that would be involved, but the algorithms are everywhere and it should be easy to implement. It could be sound or light. I like the idea of an IR pulsing LED on the head, cameras pick it up (cheap ones at that) and triangulate based on latency of the received pulse. Could probably be done many times a second, but might not be sensitive enough.

     

     

    Anyhoo, I'm just learning and would love to hear your comments.

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  • shahjee
    shahjee over 10 years ago in reply to shahjee

    Hello EVERYBODY,

     

    Thank you everybody who helped me to understand 3 D printer.

    I have constructed a 3 D printer, but still needs guidance from you people. As I noticed there is clear BAND in every inkjet printer. Can anybody tell me why this is installed? I have installed 3 stepper motors and they move perfectly in the required directions. Please help

     

    Please let me know if Element14 can supply some hardware. I need to install the main control card and the heated head (plastic extrudar).

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  • munchit1
    munchit1 over 10 years ago

    hi all, new into here, but here goes my peneth worth.

     

    reading through i see we've fell for the old complex it out of exsistance (already).

     

    regaurding the closed loop feedback, if the reader isnt at //pos 234// it continues untill it is or meets another definasion that sais //ahhh its broke// as a safety mode etc etc.. it doesnt matter what shape the 'housing is', the condision is not met unles the posision arrives at the grid co ordinates od //blah blah 57 x 23 y// etc etc. (there is a bed levaling program for steppers that measures and corrects for devience in the horazontal bed axis...thats one axis sorted only another two to acount for and interact with for an xyz self corecting 'program' / 'software issue')

     

    tool heads in cnc type applicasions are obviously subject to 'stuff bending under load' pushing a thin drill bit into too hard a surface it warps n brakes, thats a given, but its no way the reason to ditch closed loop feed back is it? the feed back works on a 30 quid printer perfectly well and with enough presision to inpliment engineering type presision..plenty enough for a plastic extrusion nozzle!  now lets look at the housing/running gear..plastic runners on plastic rails with plenty of slip/lag/ wobble, infact for want of words..chronic alignment.

      so the summery here is cl;osed loop negative feed back is not only already here, but has been in action since what? the 60's? on a comertial leval. the only complexity is feeding the inquisative mind with enough red herings as to to allow the other minds to over complicate and ultimately self distruct with a whole load of woffle and self jinx...

    it works and is simple enough to put a £30 price tag on it. i.e. thats a very very posable hi profit margin on 100 quid do it all 3D printers that actualy diliver both accuracy and precision is it not? the big money maker being in the actual pastick fillament that the now millions of customers are ripping through avidly, makeing weird shaped nonense to gather dust and fill bin capacities.(hints on enviromental issues here..sorry but it is very relavent, e.g. we all die eventualy, the qustion is do we distroy it and make sure we take every one else with us..i.e. yu kids have to live here after you've gone..)

    to further the enviroment or ethics on this subject, we need to define is this a handfull of hobby peeps, or is it the mass's buy 3 each and one for the dog..that bit matters, but already its starting to totaly digress from the original subject.

     

    so back to it.. we know the feedback works very well..we know its very cheap...we know the running gear can be..chronicly assembled up to a point.. (and yes if you push against hard the tool will bend, fffff yawn is it a variable with an integer in a program sketch? lol..bends by 0.001inch at sucha spead etc etc).

     

     

    but, heres an eye opener, camera resoluions have been mentioned (we're aways away yet on that i think..you've seen the state of the consumer dvr for cctv and the 'detect modes'..yeh theyre here but theyre hardly ermmm usefull in any way lol) but how bout think a little further out of the box, the feedback being ticker tape dependandant, why not go the hole hog and imploment the print itself being measured.(again its a soft ware problem,we have th distance sencors already, holgraghics is very old hat and been done untill the media gets bored, yet again,) but go a step back wards and we have a pc screen, it has an array of pixal..x and y type, we have a mouse that moves th curser (your nozzle in its place), the pc program that handles your grafix is inadvertantly giving away the cursers posision as it goes, and once again its only a rediversion of already 'ancient' program lines.

     

    the bottom line is every one has a peace, alas everyone is more intrested in fighting over the peaces than sharing them.

     

     

    my apinion on the later is, we as the consumer (we have the cash, they dont yet..) have a multitude of choise, buy rubbish with luvly stickers on, the rubish only acheives 40% of what it advertises(if yu lucky) and on the hole gets thrown in the bin (enviromently catastrofic..resourse run out at an alarming rate, or we all die horabbly much worse and much sooner) or chois 2 is ahhhhhh the machine that does what its suposed to, only now every one makes it better faster and lasts longer..(any one see the diference? we could be visiting the moon instead of the social servers..yarda yarda..)

     

    and again back on topic?  the screen on your pc is the bed of the printer..add x and y screens and we have a two way co ordate system that actauly self locates no matter what the build frame of printer...(and add in the flex of the tool head..thats a red herring to mizz the masses dohhhh).

     

    hey call me crazy lol..but its already out there. (now whose holding the trump card and how much will he make outer it!)

     

     

     

     

    disclosure... no peoples were hurt in this making, however some discumfort at my grammer is to be exspected, unless your dyslexic yourself in which case you probably wont notice.

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  • munchit1
    munchit1 over 10 years ago

    heres the point for all the doubters.

     

     

     

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-_5KsAOVko

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  • clem57
    clem57 over 10 years ago in reply to munchit1

    LOL when did the law of conservation of energy get repeal!

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  • munchit1
    munchit1 over 10 years ago in reply to clem57

    the what?

     

    that old classeeek? lol. theres been a few new since then, even the premier showing of every action has an equal and opposite reaction, the problem is they keep finding stuff that they cant seem to locate the opposite action..just a thought lol.

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