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Question about fuses

Art_Cole
Art_Cole over 2 years ago

I’m looking for protection devices (presumably fuses) that I can use in some underwater equipment. This equipment is at the end of an underwater cable and its two main components are in parallel, sharing the two power conductors in the cable. Because they are in parallel, if one floods and starts drawing too much current, the other component will stop working. What I would like to do is to fuse each one separately so that if it shorts, its fuse will burn out, allowing the other to function. The problem is, these devices may draw up to 2 A when functioning properly and only go up to 5-7.5 A when shorted (the shore power supply maxes out at 7.5 A so that’s as high as the current can go). That’s not a great separation between operational and shorted current levels. I need the devices to be very trustable, as an unwanted blowout means that the equipment needs to be recovered, which requires a vessel and can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

I’ve looked at slow-blow fuses, but it’s hard to know how they will perform here, as the time/current curves in their product sheets are almost vertical. They are also temperature derated, making things a bit confusing. Any advice? Thanks in advance. 

Numbers:

400 VDC

Nominal I: up to 2 A

Faulty I: 5-7.5 A

Operating temperature: 0 to 5 deg C

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  • dougw
    dougw over 2 years ago +3
    You could use an overcurrent shut off. They can be more accurate than a fuse.
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 2 years ago +2
    Hi, At that kind of critical situation where it's so remote and failure costs are so high, maybe it's good to hire an engineer/consultant to examine it in detail, and look for failure and recovery scenarios…
  • kmikemoo
    kmikemoo over 2 years ago in reply to dougw +2
    I agree with dougw . With the costs involved, you are going to want something that watches rate of change as well as threshold. You are also going to want a shutoff that can be protected from water intrusion…
  • dougw
    dougw over 2 years ago

    You could use an overcurrent shut off. They can be more accurate than a fuse.

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 2 years ago

    Hi,

    At that kind of critical situation where it's so remote and failure costs are so high, maybe it's good to hire an engineer/consultant to examine it in detail, and look for failure and recovery scenarios, and how to best handle them, and have more intelligent current monitoring and a microcontroller to attempt to power down and restart either of the two systems in the event of a failure, or to permanently remove power just like an ideal fuse. Maybe even send signaling over the power lines (I have no idea, I'm just speculating), but whoever examines the system would have the advantage of being able to rule nothing out, because it's not clear that a basic fuse-type offering could be a solution yet. 

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  • kmikemoo
    kmikemoo over 2 years ago in reply to dougw

    I agree with dougw .  With the costs involved, you are going to want something that watches rate of change as well as threshold.  You are also going to want a shutoff that can be protected from water intrusion.  Sea water is essentially a conductor.  At 400 VDC, a submerged fuse holder will act like a wire.  There are FET's that should work for you (can be waterproofed). Split the power feed as far up the line as you can and feed each device through a separate shutoff.

    Depending upon the enclosure, you could also look at adding a capacitive water detector circuit and shut the whole thing down before it gets to the flooded stage.  Easier to clean than repair from a flashover.

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  • Art_Cole
    Art_Cole over 2 years ago in reply to kmikemoo

    The circuit protection would be inside an underwater housing. I understand that underwater power circuitry cannot be exposed to seawater. 

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  • Art_Cole
    Art_Cole over 2 years ago in reply to dougw

    What type of device are you referring to? 

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  • dougw
    dougw over 2 years ago in reply to Art_Cole

    Overcurrent protection systems come in all sizes, all current ranges, all voltage ranges and different reset configurations. In your application, you may want to take a close look at design for reliability. Which may force a custom solution to be designed. What voltage are you using? How would you like to reset it? Are there any communications with the device?

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  • charlieo21
    charlieo21 over 2 years ago

    An eFuse could be a solution.

    For example, this TI chip TPS25927 data sheet, product information and support | TI.com

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