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Lithium Battery Charger Board With Confusing Connections

rictrajano
rictrajano 10 months ago

Hello Smart people,

my objective is very simple, to connect 3x 14500 3.7v lithium batteries in parallel and charge them with this module:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004957459719.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.38.44211802hKnngk#nav-specification

I have two questions:

1 - Would I need a BMS? 

2 - In the product's description they reference two pads that should be shorted if your batteries don't have discharge protection (or is the other way around?) I can't really understand the english. Would someone be able to understand what should be done in which situation?


Here's the description

Instructions for use

Output voltage adjustment potentiometer

VO+VO. IN-IN+

output input

LX-LCBST

VO+ Vo B+ B- T point

battery output battery

The module supports type-c interface input and solder joint input of back annotation input. You can choose one, the recommended voltage is about 5V. The module is marked with two outputs. The two outputs are the same, and the lines are connected in parallel. You can choose one of them. The following focuses on connecting the battery.

If your battery comes with its own protection board, you can choose our package without discharge protection. After the battery is connected to B+ and B-, you must short the T point to charge and discharge.

If your battery does not have a protection board, choose a package with discharge protection. This is very important, because over-discharge of the battery is likely to cause the battery to be scrapped. Most of similar competitive products do not have discharge protection. After -, the T point cannot be shorted, otherwise the discharge protection will be invalid.

After connecting the wires, you can use a screwdriver to adjust the output voltage you want.

The battery chooses 3.7V lithium battery, and the full voltage is 42V. The battery type can be 18650 polymer and other batteries.



Thanks for your help

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  • shabaz
    shabaz 10 months ago in reply to shabaz +2
    Took a photo since I was charging my flashlight battery.. This 14500 battery has less than a quarter of the energy that the one you're using advertises. And it costs more than 6 times as much and has…
  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave 10 months ago in reply to shabaz +1
    Big Clive's video on simple charging/protection of Lithium batteries may be of interest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M88e1r8nvYk
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  • bidrohini
    0 bidrohini 10 months ago

    If each 14500 battery has its own integrated protection (like protection circuits built into the battery itself), the need for an additional BMS may be less critical. But if the batteries are unprotected, then adding a BMS is definitely recommended.

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    0 rictrajano 10 months ago in reply to bidrohini

    This is the battery I'm using:

    www.aliexpress.com/.../1005007800512403.html

    There is no protection circuit.

    Any idea on the second question?

    Thank you

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  • shabaz
    0 shabaz 10 months ago in reply to rictrajano

    There isn't even a remote chance that those batteries will support the capacity they claim. You won't get the capacity claimed from a single cell, even if you parallel three of them.

    Even a single 18650 sized cell can support more capacity than three of those batteries.

    I think you'd be better off buying your batteries from a (reputable) local supplier to you, rather than these from aliexpress.

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    Also, regarding:

    "After connecting the wires, you can use a screwdriver to adjust the output voltage you want."

    That doesn't sound like a good charging circuit. For something reliable, see if (say) Adafruit has anything suitable, I think they will.

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  • beacon_dave
    0 beacon_dave 10 months ago in reply to shabaz

    Big Clive's video on simple charging/protection of Lithium batteries may be of interest  

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M88e1r8nvYk

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    0 rictrajano 10 months ago in reply to shabaz

    Thanks for your help. I'm well aware that the charge is not what is advertised, just wanted to show exactly what I was using. My concern is more about if I would need or not the BMS.
    The adjusting screw bit is on the step up part of the circuit and not on the charging side.

    Thanks

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    0 rictrajano 10 months ago in reply to beacon_dave

    Thanks, I also follow Big Clive and seen the video. This is for one battery only though and doesn't address the charger I'm using.

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  • shabaz
    0 shabaz 10 months ago in reply to rictrajano

    The text isn't clear. I think it's better to just use a board with better description/documentation. Adafruit will have some.

    And the actual battery you choose might have protection built-in, I hope you're not actually intending on using those AliExpress batteries.

    Some 14500 batteries come with an in-built USB port incidentally, and then the problem of charging circuit goes away completely.

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  • colporteur
    0 colporteur 10 months ago in reply to beacon_dave

    Thanks BD! Another 20 minutes gone with my missus asking what are you looking at.

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  • shabaz
    0 shabaz 10 months ago in reply to shabaz

    Took a photo since I was charging my flashlight battery..

    This 14500 battery has less than a quarter of the energy that the one you're using advertises. And it costs more than 6 times as much and has various built-in protection features. And built-in charger, with status indication LED.

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    0 shabaz 10 months ago in reply to shabaz

    Took a photo since I was charging my flashlight battery..

    This 14500 battery has less than a quarter of the energy that the one you're using advertises. And it costs more than 6 times as much and has various built-in protection features. And built-in charger, with status indication LED.

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