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Measuring liquid level of a sealed container

Hasanga
Hasanga over 1 year ago

I need to measure liquid level inside a sealed container there can't be placed any sensors inside it. This is a shock absorber in a very powerful machine. So in operation the pressure and temperature will be high and flowing speed of liquid is also high . 

   1. Container is steel cylinder, height 1 meter, diameter 8 inches,          wall thickness 3 mm. it      can be tilted horizontal to 60 degrees         in vertical. But can't be            moved. It contains a nother hollow       steel cylinder.

         a. This small cylinder is same height, diameter 5 inches. And             have a orifice of 5 cm on its wall so liquid can move in and out            from this cylinder to outer cylinder freely. 

I will be measuring liquid level before operation and during trouble shooting only. What methods can be used?

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  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 1 year ago in reply to shabaz +3
    shabaz said: not realizing that just a few milli-litres causes enough vapor to be dangerous Tim Hunkin & Rex Garrod - teaspoon of gunpowder vs teaspoon of petrol: https://youtu.be/qyVHzJ40JqM?list…
  • dougw
    dougw over 1 year ago +1
    What is the liquid? How does the liquid get in and out of the cylinder? How accurately do you need to know the liquid level? Without knowing more about the system, your best bet is likely to somehow…
  • Fred27
    Fred27 over 1 year ago +1
    This sounds like a difficult problem - especially as any modification to the shock absorber could be very dangerous. Why do you want to measure the liquid level? What exactly is the problem you're trying…
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  • embeddedguy
    embeddedguy over 1 year ago

    We still use Gas cylinders for cooking purpose and there is liquid inside(LPG).

    For that one idea could be to send some wires inside for level measurement using sensor from the Gas outlet...Typically it would need at max 4 wires if you use some kind of I2c, Uart sensor.?

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 1 year ago in reply to embeddedguy

    Hi, 

    There's no suitable sensor (there are many situations where things cannot be solved by retrofitting a sensor, and instead, an engineered end-to-end solution would be needed, and as part of that, it would require the equipment manufacturer's involvement).
    Even if it appeared to work 99.9% of the time in the test conditions you thought applied. The best example of 2023 is the Titan submersible.

    Although those fuel cylinders need to be used, they are unfortunately not considered safe (ever), especially not for sending wires into the outlet of them.

    One guy in my neighborhood (I don't know him) took an angle grinder to a cylinder (I don't know which fuel, but I don't think it matters), thinking it was empty, which it may well have been, but not realizing that just a few milli-litres causes enough vapor to be dangerous. The explosion he caused woke me up that morning. If he lived, I don't expect he will ever fully recover from his injuries.

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  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 1 year ago in reply to shabaz
    shabaz said:
    not realizing that just a few milli-litres causes enough vapor to be dangerous

    Tim Hunkin & Rex Garrod - teaspoon of gunpowder vs teaspoon of petrol:

    https://youtu.be/qyVHzJ40JqM?list=PLtaR0lZhSyAPLuoSbMA29s3Ry8ZUvKff3&t=162

    (skip to 2min 42s)

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 1 year ago in reply to beacon_dave

    Nice demo. I like how Rex has a jar of everyday gunpowder : )

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 1 year ago in reply to beacon_dave

    Nice demo. I like how Rex has a jar of everyday gunpowder : )

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  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 1 year ago in reply to shabaz

    It's one of the perks of working in special effects I guess.

    Placing the open jar right next to the burning fuse might not be recommended though.

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 1 year ago in reply to beacon_dave

    I noticed that too! I bet they realized afterwards, but figured they may as well not re-shoot, everything was on a shoestring budget I bet.. which was part of the charm of that show too.

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